worklifebalance

If a shelf stacker gets paid $18 for overtime then working the same hours as the programmer will work 37.5 hours overtime for 50 weeks so 1875 hours overtime a year = $33750. Roughly calculating it a programmer on 60k who actually works double hours gets approx. 26250 per year for standard hours and 33750 for the overtime. The hourly rate works out at $14 so you are correct in I am wrong as the programmer starts off on a mighty $2 an hour more. After tax they are almost equal. A lot closer than you think.

Well that passed 5 mins of my time



Very true but I have the ability to walk away and laugh at them for not being able to replace me. Now they have nobody for 24/7 when they had at least someone could do maybe up to 50 as standard hours + emergencies. Programmers have been easy for them to replace but not the really experienced. I've not lost out because I still earn by other means now. Funnily enough I had associations with Foxconn in China/Taiwan - the company the North Americans love to slander for work conditions and human rights. Foxconn has an upper limit on hours of work for all employee's of about 80 weekly - North America does not but is rather loud and hypocritical in its opinions of others.

I learned a harsh lesson and changed direction so all's well that ends well.

worklifebalance

Update from Ontario Human Rights. Employers have a duty to accommodate an employee's family status. Ontario's Human Rights were expanded a few years ago that classes more family members as caregivers - therefore employer's must make adjustments to reflect needs related to family status. My right to family life comes first. Each employer was trying to prevent me having a family life.

dbd33

I hesitate to speak for all employers in Ontario but I think you'll find that there's no deliberate intent to prevent anyone from having a family life. Employers simply do not care whether or not employees have a family life, nor I might add, should they. Single parent, extended family, same-sex parent, heterosexual two person parenting configuration - it's the business of the people involved not that of the firm employing those people.

worklifebalance

...but they do care when it hits them in the pocket and that's why when human rights laws are broken they get hit hard with large fines and compensation. As for should they care, if they are human then yes. The whole of North America actively campaigns against China alleged treatment of workers (which is better than I've been treated here) so either North America cares or they are hypocrites. Not sure if it is related but since the human rights issue has been raised my ex employer is requesting a meeting to "hopefully bring closure" using their words.

dbd33

But they're not human. Typically they're corporations and as such they have no duty to their employees, only to the shareholders.

worklifebalance

All decision's are made by humans just like the initial offer I've had today - all back pay plus 6 months salary to stop the complaint reaching a human rights hearing. I've already asked it be increased to 12 months salary and wait the response. The reason they make an offer is because the humans who manage and the shareholders who own the company have feelings - one of being to scared for this issue to go further because they all value the way other people see them. The corporation which is just a piece of paper has no say.

dbd33

I doubt it. I imagine they're making an offer because six months of your pay is less than the cost of a few hours of their law firm's time.

Steve_

Which is why I think there is going to be a rollback on these crazy employment standards, it's not as if you and I are the first people to notice, it's completely untenable.

The actual factor that is killing them is that very few women work in IT and the overriding reasons seem to be that it is family unfriendly and also women don't like working at empty offices at night and on the weekend.

So even the Ontario Human Rights people seem to be taking notice finally.

There isn't, contrary to popular belief, an inexhaustible supply of Indians willing to do this. They're human like everyone else and there is so much paperwork fraud with experience and qualifications that the overhead of actually finding competent people is very high - I speak from personal experience, I couldn't find a soul to help me with something I was working on a few years ago and the only guy who seemed to vaguely understand the subject I'm pretty sure was here illegally.

I'm sure ExKiwiLass has some interesting stories as I recall her saying she is an IT recruiter.

Ah... five minutes of time a programmer could have spent watching porn while waiting for the compiler to complete, which is something a shelf stacker at Loblaw's cannot do...

Steve_

Absolutely. That is the only reason. Well, that and having a valid record of complaint with the OHR will also weigh against them as well.

worklifebalance

The reason they settled finally at 10 months plus back pay is that if found to be at fault they would be forced to change working practices for the entire company and the result could affect the entire industry - and because they knew they would lose. Their business model would be crushed. I did not ask for compensation - they offered it.

dbd33

Eh? IME women represent at least half of the IT workforce. Representing them I find that I can't get the same money as for someone of a similar skill level who has a penis (regardless of the ability to type with it or not) but there's no shortage of women technicians, business analysts, data entry people, help desk staff, all facets of IT. Certainly I've met more Asian women working in IT in the GTA than cradle men (to pick two significant minority groups more or less at random).

Steve_

I have no idea where you get that idea from, imx they're pretty rare.

The state of women in technology: 15 data points you should know - TechRepublic

We Need More Women in Tech: The Data Prove It - The Atlantic

Time for IT jobs to be set aside for women - TechRepublic

And so on.

Those are not "all facets", those are the crappy facets.

Steve_

That sounds a bit hyperbolic, if their business model was crushed and it changed an entire industry, you would have been looking at eight figures. At least.

bc2015

50-60k is the starting salary for some graduates out of the college in some of the bigger companies (Amazon, Google etc...). There are not many far off 100k after a few years experience, especially if they are good.

worklifebalance

Not likely, a judge is most likely to only award for your own personal loss plus a small amount for hurt feelings.