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Old May 21st 2017, 4:41 pm
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Originally Posted by Tigger1
To be honest that doesn't make any difference. It's not being in Canada that's the problem; I get a lot of overseas applications to roles, and if they're not already eligible to work in Canada I don't consider them. The only exception to that, is if they have a very specialised skill set I'm struggling to find.
This is correct It was my unique biomedical research experience that the University wanted, and was therefore willing to wait over nine months (while I obtained my PR status) before I could join them.

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Old May 23rd 2017, 12:33 am
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Originally Posted by geoff52

This is correct It was my unique biomedical research experience that the University wanted, and was therefore willing to wait over nine months (while I obtained my PR status) before I could join them.

Most universities, even now, will wait for that special person, and easily jump through all the hoops required to prove that there is no qualified Canadian candidate ....... and my info is up-to-date (still connected to a university!)

It's easy to do ............ advertise in Canada in journals directed at the subject area as well as advertising overseas so citizens studying or working overseas also get a chance to see the ad as well as foreign subjects. Then bring in 3 or 4 people to interview, including your special person, and prove that she (or he) really topped everyone else.


Graduate students and post-docs are always welcome, and most of them depend upon a supervisor getting grant money to support them through their study period.


I rarely comment on how easily we got into Canada from getting a position at a university to passing the PR tests, because it was so long ago and bears no resemblance to what is needed today.

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Old May 23rd 2017, 1:42 am
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Most universities, even now, will wait for that special person, and easily jump through all the hoops required to prove that there is no qualified Canadian candidate ....... and my info is up-to-date (still connected to a university!)

It's easy to do ............ advertise in Canada in journals directed at the subject area as well as advertising overseas so citizens studying or working overseas also get a chance to see the ad as well as foreign subjects. Then bring in 3 or 4 people to interview, including your special person, and prove that she (or he) really topped everyone else.


Graduate students and post-docs are always welcome, and most of them depend upon a supervisor getting grant money to support them through their study period.


I rarely comment on how easily we got into Canada from getting a position at a university to passing the PR tests, because it was so long ago and bears no resemblance to what is needed today.
Since your familiar with the overseas university recruiting, which university were you recruited. I was University of Toronto (retired).

Your right about grants, I had to get into the old boy network and have the right people as collaborators on the grant application before I got the research grants.

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Old May 23rd 2017, 2:28 am
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I accompanied my husband .......... and he wasn't recruited

He just wrote to the university in January, said "this is my training, this is what I'm interested in, are you interested in me"?

Interview in February (ie, within a month), job offer at the interview, personal interview at the consulate in Denver CO in March, acceptance at the interview. Crossed the border into Canada at Peace Arch on August 22 1968 ...... without any papers! There had been a several week long postal strike in Canada, so our immigration papers had had been returned. The Immigration officer told us to just go ahead, cross the border, go to the university the next day to pick the papers which would be waiting for us (they weren't!), and go to Immigration in Vancouver.

Went to Immigration in Vancouver, said "no papers. What do we do?". Supercilious Indian-officer type of official said "go back to the border, cross back in to the US, and re-enter Canada". Which didn't make any sense 'cos we still didn't have the papers!

Drove back to the border, parked on the Canadian side, walked into the office there, told the officer what we were supposed to do .............. he walked into the back room and returned with an envelope ready to be mailed. Our papers! He handed them over to us, and said "goodbye'!!


The university actually didn't care what his training was (biochemical) ........ they were more interested in the fact that he loved teaching

He was even told he had too much education ...... only allowed 21 years and he had 24 ......... so the Consul lopped 3 years off.

They weren't even interested in my training (genetics) ............. I was the spouse, and I answered no questions at all.


The faculty had a grant waiting so he could start to set up his lab, the department also provided some money, and he managed to get an application in by October for a grant from NSERC (as it then was) that was awarded in March (no collaborators). He had hired a technician and started to equip his lab by mid-October. His first graduate student started in September 1969.


I myself became a research technician .... bit of a tied wife ........ but I enjoyed the work and not having the responsibility of having to apply for my own grants.

OH still has an office out on campus, and we have close contacts with scientists there, especially when new ones are hired. We hear all about the advertising that has been done and how many have been called for interview.

UBC was the 3rd university to offer him a position in a space of 3 days, the other 2 were in the US.


I told you our process bears absolutely no comparison to what happens now!

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Originally Posted by scilly
I accompanied my husband .......... and he wasn't recruited

He just wrote to the university in January, said "this is my training, this is what I'm interested in, are you interested in me"?

Interview in February (ie, within a month), job offer at the interview, personal interview at the consulate in Denver CO in March, acceptance at the interview. Crossed the border into Canada at Peace Arch on August 22 1968 ...... without any papers! There had been a several week long postal strike in Canada, so our immigration papers had had been returned. The Immigration officer told us to just go ahead, cross the border, go to the university the next day to pick the papers which would be waiting for us (they weren't!), and go to Immigration in Vancouver.

Went to Immigration in Vancouver, said "no papers. What do we do?". Supercilious Indian-officer type of official said "go back to the border, cross back in to the US, and re-enter Canada". Which didn't make any sense 'cos we still didn't have the papers!

Drove back to the border, parked on the Canadian side, walked into the office there, told the officer what we were supposed to do .............. he walked into the back room and returned with an envelope ready to be mailed. Our papers! He handed them over to us, and said "goodbye'!!


The university actually didn't care what his training was (biochemical) ........ they were more interested in the fact that he loved teaching

He was even told he had too much education ...... only allowed 21 years and he had 24 ......... so the Consul lopped 3 years off.

They weren't even interested in my training (genetics) ............. I was the spouse, and I answered no questions at all.


The faculty had a grant waiting so he could start to set up his lab, the department also provided some money, and he managed to get an application in by October for a grant from NSERC (as it then was) that was awarded in March (no collaborators). He had hired a technician and started to equip his lab by mid-October. His first graduate student started in September 1969.


I myself became a research technician .... bit of a tied wife ........ but I enjoyed the work and not having the responsibility of having to apply for my own grants.

OH still has an office out on campus, and we have close contacts with scientists there, especially when new ones are hired. We hear all about the advertising that has been done and how many have been called for interview.

UBC was the 3rd university to offer him a position in a space of 3 days, the other 2 were in the US.


I told you our process bears absolutely no comparison to what happens now!
You'r right the old days were so different in the immigration process compared to know.
I went with my UofT job offer letter to the Canadian consulate in London for an interview for the PR visa. The lady who interviewed me and OH, cut quite a few corners in the immigration requirements to get us the PR.
As you say the immigration in old days bears no resemblance to the present PR process.

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Old May 23rd 2017, 3:08 am
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Originally Posted by geoff52
You'r right the old days were so different in the immigration process compared to know.
I went with my UofT job offer letter to the Canadian consulate in London for an interview for the PR visa. The lady who interviewed me and OH, cut quite a few corners in the immigration requirements to get us the PR.
As you say the immigration in old days bears no resemblance to the present PR process.

I don't think the Scotsman who interviewed us cut any corners ........... he just didn't allow OH 24 years of education!
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I know that I have drifted off topic once in a while but this joint senior moment of reminiscing has maybe gone a little bit to far......OP needs up to date information not from several decades ago
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I know that I have drifted off topic once in a while but this joint senior moment of reminiscing has maybe gone a little bit to far......OP needs up to date information not from several decades ago

Of course she needs up-to-date information.

Why do you think both geoff and myself said that our experiences bore no relationship to what happened now???????


Neither of us was suggesting that the OP should pay attention to what we said happened to us. I was asked a question, and answered it ..... and yes, I probably should have sent a pm to geoff, but I didn't!


Have you never gone off topic???


mea culpa


I shall now consider myself well and truly told off, and try to ensure that I don't cross the line again
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I said in my post above that I was guilty of this- I this just that things we're getting a bit olde worlde. Read into it what you will.
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