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Pulling my hair out with tax return - should we just get an accountant?

Old Apr 15th 2015, 8:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
Too bad we can't make it easier here...lol
I disagree, I much much MUCH prefer the method used in Canada and the US because you get to see how much tax you owe. In the UK for example, tax on bank interest is withheld. VAT is included in the price. RTI PAYE is much more sophisticated than the payroll withholding codes used on a W-4 or a TD-1.

So the argument is that this makes your life easier. It also obscures quite cleverly how much tax you're paying.

Well I want to know how much tax I'm paying and moreover if you file a T1213 and reduce your withholding, you don't have to pay it until you have to pay it.

This argument "oh I get my refund faster if I use software" well if you owe money, that's irrelevant.

The tax people (aka the govt) work for us, we don't work for them. I want to know how much I'm paying.
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Old Apr 15th 2015, 8:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
Too bad we can't make it easier here...lol

I fill out the the form, claim the standard deduction and employer takes out whatever they take out, but each year I then file, and CRA gives it all back, or nearly all of it back. I suppose getting one lump refund isn't bad, but having the extra 100 a month would be nice though through out the year.

I still have to file my US return as well, but its easy, just a pain to do 2 returns a year.
If you are going to earn below the threshold, check the 'Total income less than total claim amount' on the back of your TD1 and the employer will not withhold any tax, that way you don't give the govt a free loan for a year. Of course if you expect to owe tax, make sure you have funds available to do so.
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Old Apr 15th 2015, 10:37 pm
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It's illegal to do that though (I think) because it's a misrepresentation. The legal way is to file a T1213 which requires the CRA to review your file and give approval.
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Old Apr 17th 2015, 5:25 pm
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But you didn't say it has to be pro-rated, which is the key bit.

Frankly you can just put down the date you arrived on the front of the T1 and the CRA will work it out for you, but if you do that you will get a bill because you've overclaimed the tax credits, so an attempt at pro-rating is probably worthwhile.

It really isn't terribly difficult. The old problem used to be that if you made a mistake you had to write the whole thing out again but since they produced all the forms as fillable PDFs it's a piece of cake.
Pro-rate what? The question was about world income. I said "Newcomers to Canada only have to report world income for the part of the year that they were resident in Canada." Are you saying that you prorate world income even if it was earned prior to arriving in Canada? If so, that's certainly not what the link states:

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/nnrsdnts...nwcmr-eng.html

For the part of the tax year that you WERE a resident of Canada
You have to report your world income (income from all sources, both inside and outside Canada) earned after becoming a resident of Canada for income tax purposes on your Canadian tax return.

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Old Apr 17th 2015, 7:14 pm
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Hi,

I have to admit I am struggling myself here with Turbo Tax online for my first Canadian tax return. Anyone suggest any good accountants or tax preppers that can do expat returns in the Surrey/White Rock/Langley area? I figure I need a bit of hand-holding for my first return, I should know the ropes after that.

Alternatively, if anyone has UK dividend income and knows how to correctly enter the numbers (gross vs net, tax credits, etc) then please PM me.

Thanks,
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Hi,

I have to admit I am struggling myself here with Turbo Tax online for my first Canadian tax return. Anyone suggest any good accountants or tax preppers that can do expat returns in the Surrey/White Rock/Langley area? I figure I need a bit of hand-holding for my first return, I should know the ropes after that.

Alternatively, if anyone has UK dividend income and knows how to correctly enter the numbers (gross vs net, tax credits, etc) then please PM me.

Thanks,
Alastair
JohnboyE is has an accounting practice in White Rock I believe. Very helpful chap too.
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Thanks, I've contacted him privately.

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Default Re: Pulling my hair out with tax return - should we just get an accountant?

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JohnboyE is has an accounting practice in White Rock I believe. Very helpful chap too.
Thank you.

Originally Posted by abrxx
Hi,

I have to admit I am struggling myself here with Turbo Tax online for my first Canadian tax return. Anyone suggest any good accountants or tax preppers that can do expat returns in the Surrey/White Rock/Langley area? I figure I need a bit of hand-holding for my first return, I should know the ropes after that.

Alternatively, if anyone has UK dividend income and knows how to correctly enter the numbers (gross vs net, tax credits, etc) then please PM me.

Thanks,
Alastair
Unfortunately, there is no way I can take on a new client this late in the proceedings. In fact, I intend to focus more on corporate work that individual tax returns.

For UK dividend income add the amount received and the tax credit and report the total as dividend income then claim the tax credit as a foreign tax credit.
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JohnboyE is has an accounting practice in White Rock I believe. Very helpful chap too.


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Old Apr 19th 2015, 10:11 pm
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Originally Posted by JonboyE
Thank you.



Unfortunately, there is no way I can take on a new client this late in the proceedings. In fact, I intend to focus more on corporate work that individual tax returns.

For UK dividend income add the amount received and the tax credit and report the total as dividend income then claim the tax credit as a foreign tax credit.

Thanks, that covers my immediate set of questions!
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Thanks, that covers my immediate set of questions!
Another question regarding UK rental income, I am sure there are many of us in this situation.

First of all, I have prepared a set of accounts for my rental business which run from January 2014 to December 2014. I have then figured out the profit earned over this period (rather than the April-April period as I will do in my UK tax return).

But then there is the question of avoiding double taxation. But since I haven't done my UK tax return yet, how do I make a claim for the tax paid in the UK? And anyway, the tax paid in the UK will cover a different accounting period (April-April). So what amount can I claim? I'm really confused about this one.
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Another question regarding UK rental income, I am sure there are many of us in this situation.

First of all, I have prepared a set of accounts for my rental business which run from January 2014 to December 2014. I have then figured out the profit earned over this period (rather than the April-April period as I will do in my UK tax return).

But then there is the question of avoiding double taxation. But since I haven't done my UK tax return yet, how do I make a claim for the tax paid in the UK? And anyway, the tax paid in the UK will cover a different accounting period (April-April). So what amount can I claim? I'm really confused about this one.
If your only taxable income in the UK for the year was your rental income then you are good to go. Take 3/12th of the total tax you paid in the UK for 2013/2014 and 9/12 for 2014/2015. Make a prudent estimate of 2014/2015 if necessary keeping in mind this in one of the CRA's favourite topics for audit. Use this as foreign tax paid.

If you had other income, such as employment income whilst still a UK resident, you will need to use a reasonable way to apportion the tax you paid for that year between the employment income and rental income after you became a Canadian tax resident. There is no set formula but use some method that is defensible. Say you had employment income between April and December of £20,000, moved to Canada on January 1, had rental profit between January and March of £1,000, and you paid a total of £2,500 for that UK tax year. You could say the tax attributable to the £1,000 rental profit was £119.05 (1000/21000*2500).
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Default Re: Pulling my hair out with tax return - should we just get an accountant?

Originally Posted by JonboyE
Thank you.



Unfortunately, there is no way I can take on a new client this late in the proceedings. In fact, I intend to focus more on corporate work that individual tax returns.

For UK dividend income add the amount received and the tax credit and report the total as dividend income then claim the tax credit as a foreign tax credit.
Is there anyone in the s.surrey / wr area that you would recommend instead of yourself??
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