Snowy560

If you're not sure about moving don't do it yet. What's your status? PRs or citizens?

biggayowl

PR. Got it in 2015, so stlll a way to go before we'd be ellgible for Citzenship.

Snowy560

Well if the rules change as looks likely, you may only have a year and if on WPs before then maybe even less.

Oink

I suspect the reasons people made their choice might be a bit more nuanced than this assessment. Hopefully nobody makes such inferences about your decisions to stay or leave Canada.

Shakyuk

I personally voted to stay in the EU, but what you have stated here is far from the truth. I know plenty who have voted to leave and non of them are Xenophobic or racist. These labels are banded around far too often and in many cases they're unwarranted and a barrier to finding a resolution to very real issues that many people have.

Vulcanoid

The words you used to describe Canada - remote, boring, safe, peaceful - also apply to Sweden. You can move there at the moment, and presumably apply for residency based off your husband to ensure long-term stability.

If you only got PR 2 years ago, then you've put in quite a lot of time and effort, and are nearly, but not quite at the point where you can 'bank' it. Your children will have citizenship from birth, but if you decide you want to come back after a few years, you'd have to start from scratch - so you might want to dwell on whether it's Vancouver you want to leave, or Canada.

Personally, I'm very glad I've got less than a month left in the UK, and am very afraid for its future. Whilst you could sponsor your husband for residency regardless of what happens with movement rights - potentially dependent on your income, which could be a problem if you're going to be a student - I can certainly see why you wouldn't consider it a viable long-term option. Hopefully the quitlings won't wreak too much vandalism on the place, but there's no good outcome, only awful or bad ones.

BristolUK

A lot of truth in that, sadly.

biggayowl

Really? I'll do some research into this. We were on work permits for 2.5 years prior to PR.

Thanks for the tip

biggayowl

I suspect for a lot of people it was more nuanced than that, but I'm convinced there wouldn't have been an overall majority without the leave campaign playing on and igniting anti-immigrant sentiment. I know first hand people who voted leave based upon they're taking our jobs mentality. Whilst I wouldn't call them racist or necessarily xenophobic, perhaps willfully ignorant and brainwashed by red top rubbish is a better assessment.

It's a pointless debate now anyway. Brexit is on regardless of who wins today - sadly I guess it will be the Tories. Can't help feeling it's going to be a car crash. Here's a pretty decent assessment of today: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...ore-than-ever/

Almost Canadian

Someone loses their job (A) to another from another country and you believe that they are "willfully ignorant and brainwashed". Don't you realise that that is precisely the reason why, I suspect, many voted to leave? The believe that A had lost faith in the ability of those in the EU to fully realise how the EU's actions were affecting A's lives and that A's views were being dismissed as irrelevant.

dave2003

Spot on. My parents took me from Canada to France in the 60s, where I went to high school. I do not recollect any issues with visas or border controls.

biggayowl

It may well have been anti-establishment vote, but then why vote for a campaign backed by Gove and Johnson? Some of the same people will then vote Tory today. The Welsh majority voted to leave the EU - Turkeys voting for Christmas. Domestic policy has far more to do with people's circumstances - economic, social mobility etc, that anything that comes from EU membership.

And for the record none of the people I know had lost their jobs to someone from within the EU moving in to take it.

dbd33

I can't comment on European travel in the 1960s. This month it was easier for those in my family using Swiss or UK passports than those using their Canadian ones. I suppose that, post Brexit, our UK passports will be no better than Canadian ones. They're usable, of course, just not ideal.

scilly

Most of the people I know voted for Brexit, I would not classify ANY of them as xenophobic, borderline racists.

Most of them very carefully considered their decision.


I object to your classifying of anyone who voted for Brexit as xenophobic borderline racists just because they hold the opposing view to you.

biggayowl

Not sure I labelled everyone who voted to leave as racist or xenophobic simply that it (immigration) was the major issue that decided the vote. Neither do I believe that everyone who voted to remain is wholly in love with the EU.

Looks like there's some kick back against it now, if the exit polls are to be believed.