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Old Mar 21st 2016, 11:55 pm
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If you haven't payed enough tax in the UK (and you don't have Google's lawyers), can you escape to Canada, or will they track you down?

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Old Mar 22nd 2016, 12:06 am
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Old Mar 22nd 2016, 12:16 am
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I worked here with a bloke from Essex who'd fled the UK taxman. He'd also fled the South African tax man. Neither of them had found him and, when last seen, he was fleeing the Canadian taxman by taking a job in Australia. I suppose he'd be in Paraguay or Uruguay or Someguay by now.
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Good to know.

I'm facing a hefty late payment due to a crapy accountant, and wondering if it's worth paying if I'm leaving anyway.
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Originally Posted by Irri
If you haven't payed enough tax in the UK (and you don't have Google's lawyers), can you escape to Canada, or will they track you down?

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Realistically, it depends on how much money they think you owe them. If it's a lot, then they might put some effort into finding you and then enforcing any UK court judgement in Canada (that's possible and not that hard usually). Where the cut-off point is though, I don't know. I would guess the 5-10K GBP mark is probably where the cost of recovering the money from you starts to be worth the time to do it but they may well set it lower in order to set an example to others...
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They will catch up with you eventually.
I recieved a bill for £400 from them for money I owed for 1995 (unbeknownst to me) despite having moved 10 times in 10 years and spending 6 of those years in Australia before moving here.
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Old Mar 22nd 2016, 2:33 pm
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How on Earth did they find you through different countries?

I'm going to pay mine; it was just hateful rebelling against the late charges :/
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Worth remembering that the UK and Canada have bilateral tax agreements and I believe even a social security agreement so the fact that you are in Canada may at some point be fed back to HMRC from CRA.

I also think it is a legal requirement to inform HMRC when you are leaving the UK for tax purposes and if you don't they are likely to expect a tax return each year from you
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Originally Posted by Irri
How on Earth did they find you through different countries?

I'm going to pay mine; it was just hateful rebelling against the late charges :/
I have no idea, but I don't think the amount matters to them - it is the principle.
If they let the little amounts go then it's a slippery slope. People will hear about it and before you know it they are having to chase everyone for every penny.
Not worth the aggro - if you speak to them you can set up a payment plan.
If you are planning on staying here you do not want to have that kind of skeleton rattling around in your cupboard IMO.
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Old Mar 22nd 2016, 9:52 pm
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It's not that much; I can afford it

"If they let the little amounts go then it's a slippery slope"
I wish they applied the same rule with large amounts!
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CRA and the IRS certainly talk to one another, wouldnt be far fetched for Canada to be talking to other countries as well.




Originally Posted by Engineer_abroad
Worth remembering that the UK and Canada have bilateral tax agreements and I believe even a social security agreement so the fact that you are in Canada may at some point be fed back to HMRC from CRA.

I also think it is a legal requirement to inform HMRC when you are leaving the UK for tax purposes and if you don't they are likely to expect a tax return each year from you
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So what is your plan of escape? Are you applying for PR status coming here working or just turning up and trying to live under the radar? Perhaps your escape might be blocked as soon as you arrive in Canada.
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Originally Posted by Irri
It's not that much; I can afford it

"If they let the little amounts go then it's a slippery slope"
I wish they applied the same rule with large amounts!
Are you certain that you won't have any more tax dealings with the U.K. Once in Canada?

Anyway maybe the tax rebate you would be due on leaving the uk might be enough to cover it?
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So what is your plan of escape? Are you applying for PR status coming here working or just turning up and trying to live under the radar? Perhaps your escape might be blocked as soon as you arrive in Canada.
I believe from a previous thread OP said he had a Canadian passport.

Mind you, it might not be his.
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Old Mar 23rd 2016, 1:27 am
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CRA and the IRS certainly talk to one another, wouldnt be far fetched for Canada to be talking to other countries as well.
I’ve no doubt they are in communication. I doubt they would put much effort in unless it was a large sum though. Anyway, as I mentioned, it was more of a rant


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So what is your plan of escape? Are you applying for PR status coming here working or just turning up and trying to live under the radar? Perhaps your escape might be blocked as soon as you arrive in Canada.
Well, there is a family yacht here, and one in the Caribbean. I was thinking I could sneak out on the UK boat, follow the trade winds, then meet up with the boat in the Caribbean. At some point, the boats would pass, and I would move from one to the other. After that, we would head north and arrive in Manitoba. Maybe I could be an ice road trucker.

Failing that, I would catch a flight from Heathrow and use my Canadian passport to enter*


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Are you certain that you won't have any more tax dealings with the U.K. Once in Canada?

Anyway maybe the tax rebate you would be due on leaving the uk might be enough to cover it?
I’m sure I would, and don’t want to burn any bridges.

How could I be due any rebate on leaving?

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I believe from a previous thread OP said he had a Canadian passport.

Mind you, it might not be his.




*Sorry if that sounds flippant. I have every sympathy for those who have had to deal with the issues of visas/PR etc for themselves and family. I’ve been through it a few times and know how stressful it can be.
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