The Yes No vote
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I'd agree with you if I didn't think Turnbull was a $120M slopey shouldered No merchant courting both sides. Free vote in parliament and spend that money where it's needed.
We all know he'll vote no, but he'd rather spend my tax on bullshit than risk his career by sticking to his (misguided in my opinion) principles. Prime example of a gutless twat
We all know he'll vote no, but he'd rather spend my tax on bullshit than risk his career by sticking to his (misguided in my opinion) principles. Prime example of a gutless twat
Look at Bill Shorten. He lies before he has a chance to keep a promise. Scumbag.
He is voting yes BTW. You will probably see him post it on the news just to keep the sceptics at bay.
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Throwing his weight behind No would be political suicide and he knows it, it's so transparent it's frightening. I wish there was a video of him before his press conference, 'this'll keep the poofs happy'. This has nothing to do with left and right.
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I know he's thrown his weight behind yes, but he knows he won't sway the staunch no voters that follow him, or indeed Shorten. That's what he's banking on.
Throwing his weight behind No would be political suicide and he knows it, it's so transparent it's frightening. I wish there was a video of him before his press conference, 'this'll keep the poofs happy'. This has nothing to do with left and right.
Throwing his weight behind No would be political suicide and he knows it, it's so transparent it's frightening. I wish there was a video of him before his press conference, 'this'll keep the poofs happy'. This has nothing to do with left and right.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Turnbull
Its not a new thing for Mal.
He also smokes weed and wants Australia to become a republic.
Its a good read. You might learn a few things about Mal.
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I think everyone (nearly!) knows that Malcolm Turnbull supports marriage equality...and has done for a long time.
I can imagine he fears a yes vote though...it will basically tear the Coalition apart. There's so many scenarios where this plays out badly for him. The conservatives in his own party loathe him...they're just not going to quietly accept a yes win...especially if the result is close. I read the other day that Abbott's electorate is right up there with those that are likely to deliver a high yes vote...I can't see TA voting in parliament representing the views of the people of Warringah if that's the case.
It will go on and on and on and he'll be made to look completely inept having spent that $122m! All the while the next election is looming...
I can imagine he fears a yes vote though...it will basically tear the Coalition apart. There's so many scenarios where this plays out badly for him. The conservatives in his own party loathe him...they're just not going to quietly accept a yes win...especially if the result is close. I read the other day that Abbott's electorate is right up there with those that are likely to deliver a high yes vote...I can't see TA voting in parliament representing the views of the people of Warringah if that's the case.
It will go on and on and on and he'll be made to look completely inept having spent that $122m! All the while the next election is looming...
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I think everyone (nearly!) knows that Malcolm Turnbull supports marriage equality...and has done for a long time.
I can imagine he fears a yes vote though...it will basically tear the Coalition apart. There's so many scenarios where this plays out badly for him. The conservatives in his own party loathe him...they're just not going to quietly accept a yes win...especially if the result is close. I read the other day that Abbott's electorate is right up there with those that are likely to deliver a high yes vote...I can't see TA voting in parliament representing the views of the people of Warringah if that's the case.
It will go on and on and on and he'll be made to look completely inept having spent that $122m! All the while the next election is looming...
I can imagine he fears a yes vote though...it will basically tear the Coalition apart. There's so many scenarios where this plays out badly for him. The conservatives in his own party loathe him...they're just not going to quietly accept a yes win...especially if the result is close. I read the other day that Abbott's electorate is right up there with those that are likely to deliver a high yes vote...I can't see TA voting in parliament representing the views of the people of Warringah if that's the case.
It will go on and on and on and he'll be made to look completely inept having spent that $122m! All the while the next election is looming...
TB's electorate is full of white young people from out of the area and established white bible bashers. It will be interesting for Warringah.
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Ah yes, the old "everyone who doesn't agree with me, isn't rational" argument. I have sometimes been known to use it myself.
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No way
https://www.unilad.co.uk/lgbt/gay-marriage-postal-vote-has-bumsex-on-the-barcode/
https://www.unilad.co.uk/lgbt/gay-marriage-postal-vote-has-bumsex-on-the-barcode/
#39
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There you go, no need for sarky karma. I stick by what I said. People are entitled to their opinions and if they want to vote no they can and will and do. However, with regards to the particular question posed in this moronic extortionately priced survey has nothing to do with anything other than Equality between adults living, working, paying taxes etc and loving in Australia. If you (not you obviously being as it's nothing to do with you at all but yes you're entitled to comment) vote no because you believe in 'Traditional Marriage' that's fine but it's not a rational reason for voting no to Equality. The same with every other reason that's been thrown around for voting no. All humans are often not rational over certain subjects. That doesn't make them irrational as you attempt to accuse me of saying.
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Rationality isn't necessarily an exclusive concept - you can have multiple beliefs/ arguments all of which are rational, e.g. there are rational arguments why a flat, bungalow, semi, or detached home is the right choice, and your "rational choice" doesn't exclude the possibility that someone else might make a different but equally rational choice.
But you are trying to claim the moral high ground by dismissing all arguments other than your own as "irrational", and that isn't, .... er, .... rational.
BTW we had the same vote here in NC a few years ago, and it was binding .... until a couple of years later the Supreme Court of the United States decided they knew better and overruled the outcome.
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#41
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There you go, no need for sarky karma. I stick by what I said. People are entitled to their opinions and if they want to vote no they can and will and do. However, with regards to the particular question posed in this moronic extortionately priced survey has nothing to do with anything other than Equality between adults living, working, paying taxes etc and loving in Australia. If you (not you obviously being as it's nothing to do with you at all but yes you're entitled to comment) vote no because you believe in 'Traditional Marriage' that's fine but it's not a rational reason for voting no to Equality. The same with every other reason that's ben thrown around for voting no. All humans are often not rational over certain subjects. That doesn't make them irrational as you attempt to accuse me of saying.
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Rationality isn't necessarily an exclusive concept - you can have multiple beliefs/ arguments all of which are rational, e.g. there are rational arguments why a flat, bungalow, semi, or detached home is the right choice, and your "rational choice" doesn't exclude the possibility that someone else might make a different but equally rational choice.
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I had no idea that marriage was such a sacred ideal to many members of the community, especially the religous types.
This thing is going to end in bloodshed, especially when the verdict is no.
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There you go, no need for sarky karma. I stick by what I said. People are entitled to their opinions and if they want to vote no they can and will and do. However, with regards to the particular question posed in this moronic extortionately priced survey has nothing to do with anything other than Equality between adults living, working, paying taxes etc and loving in Australia. If you (not you obviously being as it's nothing to do with you at all but yes you're entitled to comment) vote no because you believe in 'Traditional Marriage' that's fine but it's not a rational reason for voting no to Equality. The same with every other reason that's been thrown around for voting no. All humans are often not rational over certain subjects. That doesn't make them irrational as you attempt to accuse me of saying.
There are (at least) 2 sides to every story
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"New Muslim Group Launches Campaign Against Same-Sex Marriage"
Nocookies | The Australian
I don't know how this will turn out but I fear Beoz is correct - the religious vote has been badly underestimated, and I think the left has wildly underestimated the social conservatism of the non-white vote.
While I still guess - and it is just a guess - that "yes" will win, I can easily envisage a scenario where the churches, mosques and other religious institutions prove highly effective at mobilizing their voters while the young urban millennials pose with their voting paper for a Facebook selfie, and then toss it in the bin.
If that happens and "no" wins in an upset - the aftermath of that is going to be brutal.
Nocookies | The Australian
I don't know how this will turn out but I fear Beoz is correct - the religious vote has been badly underestimated, and I think the left has wildly underestimated the social conservatism of the non-white vote.
While I still guess - and it is just a guess - that "yes" will win, I can easily envisage a scenario where the churches, mosques and other religious institutions prove highly effective at mobilizing their voters while the young urban millennials pose with their voting paper for a Facebook selfie, and then toss it in the bin.
If that happens and "no" wins in an upset - the aftermath of that is going to be brutal.