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Old Aug 23rd 2016, 10:51 am
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OK, here is one area of automation that I'm not so sure about.

Though I can certainly see the advantage of something that you can turn off as well as on ....

Sex robot prostitutes could be here sooner than we think

You just know that the editor nixed the line '...coming sooner than we think'.
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OK, here is one area of automation that I'm not so sure about.

Though I can certainly see the advantage of something that you can turn off as well as on ....

Sex robot prostitutes could be here sooner than we think

You just know that the editor nixed the line '...coming sooner than we think'.
Wont that be an interesting part of human society in 100 years time ? !!

As for the today, and a side note, I can't believe that attrition in our workplace is seemingly working faster than progression, in culling the workforce numbers...... Must be the age of the workforce. 40 of us in 2001.... 10 today... 3 of on compo as the physical work gets heavier... The older ladies (in their 50's) are all getting genuine tendon tears...bad ones. This is a major factor slowing my redundancy dammit.

That heavier physical workload may well be something to look out for in the very short term (15 to 20 years) of transition into full automation.
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Wont that be an interesting part of human society in 100 years time ? !!

As for the today, and a side note, I can't believe that attrition in our workplace is seemingly working faster than progression, in culling the workforce numbers...... Must be the age of the workforce. 40 of us in 2001.... 10 today... 3 of on compo as the physical work gets heavier... The older ladies (in their 50's) are all getting genuine tendon tears...bad ones. This is a major factor slowing my redundancy dammit.

That heavier physical workload may well be something to look out for in the very short term (15 to 20 years) of transition into full automation.
So attrition is working faster than automation? Old blokes (and gals) moving on for whatever reason, no newbies, no youngsters with the desire to work for post, coming through.

And that's the history lesson of automation right there.
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So attrition is working faster than automation? Old blokes (and gals) moving on for whatever reason, no newbies, no youngsters with the desire to work for post, coming through.

And that's the history lesson of automation right there.
Which is why I've been saying the jury is out. Out of those 40 people from 2001 there has only been 3 redundancy packages thus far..... One about 9 years back, one about 4 years back and one next week.... then me hopefully.

Just 3 youngsters in the last 5 years..... one still with us, one on unpaid leave, and one transferred to day shift postie. Youngsters in our case being people in their mid 30's.

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An excellent article in The Guardian about future transport technology:

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...nsport-schemes

The Chinese bus concept is just plain silly and unworkable but other things like the Hyperloop and Sky Tran look good on paper but are really not practical

As I've said before, just because some technology is feasible, it doesn't mean that it is going to happen
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Drone Pizza delivery from next year, for the NZers...



Domino’s Pizza to launch food delivery from drones next year

Pretty limited delivery radius though.
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Drone Pizza delivery from next year, for the NZers...

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/c...70e495dcb1c78d

Domino’s Pizza to launch food delivery from drones next year

Pretty limited delivery radius though.
It'll be interesting to see where they actually use this and what kind of dwellings they deliver to. Will they be able to deliver to a huge block of Townhouses for instance or single front IE: 20 foot frontage properties with 2 meter front yards etc etc.

Like these ? As there are 1'000's of them around here.



Not much margin for error eh and check out the over head power lines, and foxtel and optus cables.....

Plenty of these sorts of streets in around Clifton Hill and Fitzroy and some parts of Brunswick as well........



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Drone Pizza delivery from next year, for the NZers...

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/c...70e495dcb1c78d

Domino’s Pizza to launch food delivery from drones next year

Pretty limited delivery radius though.
Awesome target practice
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It'll be interesting to see where they actually use this and what kind of dwellings they deliver to. Will they be able to deliver to a huge block of Townhouses for instance or single front IE: 20 foot frontage properties with 2 meter front yards etc etc.
They are talking about the 'hover and fast winch down' approach - which seems to be the chosen approach so far. In theory we are talking accuracy of ~1m, almost enough that they can drop it into your arms (notice they are having an app on your phone signal the drop).

For the difficult spots my guess is they will start off by saying "nope, don't deliver there, if you want service clear some space". Hence why I say the landing/drop site aspects are going to be key.
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It'll be interesting to see where they actually use this and what kind of dwellings they deliver to. Will they be able to deliver to a huge block of Townhouses for instance or single front IE: 20 foot frontage properties with 2 meter front yards etc etc.

Like these ? As there are 1'000's of them around here.

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/A7PAWN/arch...ted-A7PAWN.jpg

Not much margin for error eh and check out the over head power lines, and foxtel and optus cables.....

Plenty of these sorts of streets in around Clifton Hill and Fitzroy and some parts of Brunswick as well........


https://savingourtrees.files.wordpre...-our-trees.jpg

Yes, much of the urban environment is not conducive to delivery from above!

No widespread deployment of delivery drones for a while yet

Techie mumbo jumbo
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See the difference?

If you look at the operating cost structure of a aircraft, you'll find that pilots are a relatively small component. Obviously it depends on the size of the aircraft, but you can assume that the pilots are less than 10% of operating costs - they don't get paid very well. Not the same scope for savings.

Even so, chatting with a pilot mate of mine, it looks very like single pilot operation will push up through the size categories in the foreseeable, and obviously particularly for cargo aircraft, entirely autonomous operation is likely eventually - just big drones. Part of the problem is the failure of the likes of CASA to equip for full cat 3c operation in Australia, but advances in localisers are likely to make that moot. It's likely to be issues of flexibility that push fully autonomous flight operations - probably once autonomous ground vehicles are accepted by passengers.
In strictly computing terms, fully autonomous aircraft are a relatively trivial exercise compared with driverless vehicles.

But there's a lot more to it than that - after all, aircraft fly themselves pretty much most of the time now anyway. (Which is in fact increasingly the underlying cause of some aircraft accidents.)

It's very debatable whether there is yet any form of AI, especially since no-one can agree what intelligence/consciousness really is. Given the massive increases in computing power over the last thirty years it's common to see the appearance of AI in some applications, but massive, trillion-line programs still don't make a conscious entity - probably just as well!
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It's very debatable whether there is yet any form of AI, especially since no-one can agree what intelligence/consciousness really is. Given the massive increases in computing power over the last thirty years it's common to see the appearance of AI in some applications, but massive, trillion-line programs still don't make a conscious entity - probably just as well!
I'm of the opinion that if it walks like a dog and quacks like a dog; it's a dog - at least within the confines of your test.

What we have coming along tend to lack the innovative understanding/ creative level, but then again, so do most workers. What they do have is human level pattern matching of the deep patterns, and an inability to goof off, get bored, or need a toilet break. Or paying.

Basically if your job can be well described by an ISO 9001 process, it's up for automation. Or if it's mainly b*llsh*t.
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I'm of the opinion that if it walks like a dog and quacks like a dog; it's a dog - at least within the confines of your test.

What we have coming along tend to lack the innovative understanding/ creative level, but then again, so do most workers. What they do have is human level pattern matching of the deep patterns, and an inability to goof off, get bored, or need a toilet break. Or paying.

Basically if your job can be well described by an ISO 9001 process, it's up for automation. Or if it's mainly b*llsh*t.
As I'm sure you would agree, humans are good at some things but bad at repetitive or monitoring tasks: computers are almost the opposite. We can drive a regular route without remembering when we get home anything about the journey, yet it's actually a very skilled task and one performed daily by millions. Computers would be excellent driving cars in controlled circumstances - like aircraft - but I'm not sure that they are near doing it in massive numbers in "ordinary" traffic, ie. with humans buzzing around them.

Testing will see - but I would like to see independent observers collating the results.

As luck would have it there's an article in the paper today wondering why the uptake of internet-enabled devices such as self-ordering fridges is very low! No-one seems to ask why few want their fridges so enabled, or the ability to put the electric blanket on while driving home.
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As luck would have it there's an article in the paper today wondering why the uptake of internet-enabled devices such as self-ordering fridges is very low! No-one seems to ask why few want their fridges so enabled, or the ability to put the electric blanket on while driving home.

I can envisage huge swarthes of negativity towards self driving cars in the US and certain parts of Australia and even Europe......But Uber is Uber they are already a giant and SE Asians will take to this like a duck to water....This is a techonological leap that will definitely be driven ultimately from China IMO.... and probably the biggest we've seen in history. If you think the US was big and China is big....you aint seen nothing yet. That negativity towards uptake from middle america is going to be the final nail.

This is all about the end of Car ownership....not uptake of vehicles. It will start to become common in Aus in 8 years.

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OzE: Interesting that you choose Asia as an example - we've all driven or been driven along many different Asian roads, and the thought of having to program the software to cope with them makes me blanche!

The "driver" of the first car that runs into a cow in India and gets pulled apart by locals despite pointing to the car's computer will be interested in the manufacturer's warranty!
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