morpeth

Pretty simple- the majority of Mexicans coming into the country are lower educated and lower skilled, which for a 21st century economy with stagnant real wages and underemployment/unemployment is nor a positive. The position to control the border is not racist. I do not understand how it can be understood that way.

As far as a ban on people from certain countries for whatever reason. that is for security reasons- whether one agrees with the methods or not- not racist reasons, as being Muslim is not a "race".

Maybe the people expressing anger and violence should look to their own behavior. Bigots can come from left as much as much as the tight.

I agree he is arrogant, doesn't choose his words wisely. and now will have to fight with the Senate to get things done and doesnt have experience with Washington. But the immigration policy should be based on what is best for the USA and that isn't a racist position for him to believe that.

morpeth

An American President or any leader should do the best for the country the are elected to lead. If importing unskilled and lower educated people is a negative for the economy, and a leader seeks to reverse that trend, that is what they are elected to do. If he wishes to ban all Muslims because the US cant vet the ones coming in that may be an impractical policy, but it sim simply a policy based on security concerns.

Beoz

http://wapo.st/2fFuYeM?tid=ss_mail-amp

I’m a Muslim, a woman and an immigrant. I voted for Trump.

Can't say I agree with everything she writes but its certainly a win for the anti PC pussy foot movement.

scrubbedexpat098

Let me take you back to the Paris bombings, where some of the right wingers in the group were calling for tighter controls on Muslims. I believe you were quite animated in saying that if they were singled out for for want of a better term, marginalized, this would in turn push them towards extremism. Can you see the parallels? I'm guessing not.

Although I must agree with your stance against the EPA head, I believe there is a climate.

As for this wall of his, many of us in Oz are here because of Australia's wall, although it's hard to believe they got Britain's best at times. If Britain's drug dealers, murderers and rapists were getting free access, you'd be a fool not to expect drug dealing to disappear from the skilled occupation list.

knockoff nige

But are Americans drug and terrorist problems only born from outside of the US? Of course not. Trumps message has only focussed on foreign threats to America's safety but Americans are doing a better job at killing themselves. A strong border control is important for any country but how is banning all Muslims from entering the US or putting up a wall along the Mexican border a solution to their very sad home made gun, drug and domestic violence problems? Can't see the forest for the trees.

scrubbedexpat098

Let me put it another way then, if you already have a problem with rape, murder and drugs, would you want to import rapists murderers and drug dealers from another country? These people aren't seeking assylum.

On the subject of Muslims however, I agree it's far more complex, but it does need dealing with. Neither left or right has all the answers, they need to talk to eachother and reach a compromise that is sustainable. Both sides need to listen to eachother, without compromise, may aswell be in the dark ages

morpeth

The democrat and republican establishment has for years not resolved the problem of lack of control of the border. It can be an entirely logical position to believe it is beneficial for a country to control its borders. I have noi understanding why controlling the border should be open to the question.

Am absurd situation, I know people with education or capital who have such a difficult time even getting a tourist visa, but someone with no papers, little education or skills can enter the country illegally. Ridiculous.

The idea in an age of terrorism of being more strict on vetting those from problem areas of the world is also logical. How much and to what degree can all be debated of course.

scrubbedexpat098

I'm not defending any particular system, all I'm saying is that it suited the lefties in the UK when UKIP got 4 million votes and no seats, but now the left have suffered due to the system and are screaming PR. My point is, if we can't change the system to suit our voters then neither can you.

Russel Brand is worth $15million and talks shite, but he's right about the revolution. Point is, if a prick like him saw it coming, why didn't the rest of the left?

Trump will be a dream compared to me in charge by the way, every lefty celebrity would be housing as many asylum seekers and mexican ne'er do wells as they had spare rooms, watch them change their tune when they're dealing with it.

GarryP

I guess you are not seeing the point of the original statements. It was that you shouldn't have simplistic, racially/religiously targeted rules that encompass a large number of people. You can't deal with a large number of people as suspects and by putting them all in the 'terrorist' box you make it much easier for the terrorist.

In this situation we have a bunch of people who feel they haven't been getting a fair shake of the stick since, well at least Reagan. They then throw their toys out of the pram and vote for someone who is obviously lying to them (if he puts up import tariffs, he gets export tariffs in return, and less jobs). The reality is the issue is structural - there aren't enough controls on the 1%ers to stop them syphoning off the profits, and automation is going to need even less people, pushing down wages. You don't fix that by putting in charge someone who is proudly a 1%er, has shifted jobs to china to line his pocket, AND WHO'S POLICIES ARE TO CUT TAXES ON THE RICH, A LOT.

That's stupid.

All of the names floating forward from Trump are poor; payback for support in the campaign, not the best people. Pence is a creationist loony who wants a theocracy, Ben Carson for education (evolution is the devils work and the big bang is a fairy tale), Newt Gingrich for Secretary of State (a man everyone hates), etc.

Err, you do realise that suggesting that most of those coming from Mexico are "drug dealers, murderers and rapists" is a racist statement that has nothing to do with reality, don't you?

The reality is that those coming across the border are LESS likely to be drug dealers, murderers and rapists than those that native born. If you want to do something about serious crime, you'd do better to deport those born in the US and leave the mexicans ...

Mexicans have long formed an underclass in the US, useful in doing shitty jobs for low wages with no opportunity to speak up. If they were legal, the pay/conditions for all would rise, and the drug economy would decrease (since drugs is one route for those without documents to make money). If you try and deport them, you need to find someone native born to be cleaners, farm workers, etc. - think that's going to happen?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nts-and-crime/

scrubbedexpat098

This is so much rubbish, I physically can't deal with it. Enjoy life in your bubble of superiority and ignorance. I'm off down the pub to watch the McGregor fight.

GarryP

Figures ...

scrubbedexpat098

Nice

knockoff nige

We're going to go around in circles here mate as we're coming from two very different view points. We'll agree to disagree but agree that Trump is an arsehole. How's that?

mrken30

Is history repeating itself?
This 1922 quote about Hitler has chilling parallels with Donald Trump
https://www.indy100.com/article/this...-trump-7413406

Gibbo

I had no idea what the electoral college was, so I did a little research. Each state has a set number of electors. Wont go into the rigmarole of how they get the job or how they are supposed to vote, but can please themselves. Anyway there are 538 electors who vote for president and vice pres. Whoever gets 270 becomes president, irrespective of whom the population vote for. This does not seem very democratic to me. Why bother to vote when your vote could mean nothing? Now I understand all the protest. The people gave Hilary the majority but Trump won the electors vote so he is president elect. Doesn't seem right to me.