knockoff nige

Explain how the world is micing forward. Narcissism, sexism and racism just won the US presidency without the popular vote.

bourbon-biscuit

Boys, your squabbling is so boring to read and probably puts people off posting. Back away ...

bourbon-biscuit

I do find this troubling. I find myself shaking my head and saying "only in America ..." quite a bit, which means I am cheering up because yesterday I had "It's the end of the world as we know it ..." playing on a loop in my head!

Alfresco

I agree.

Guys, please calm down and stop the name calling/personal attacks please.

TIA.

morpeth

True a study of the reasons will be more definitive, and until the articles, commentators and looking at ones own area. I live in area that voted heavily for Trump.

Some because of distaste for Clinton, many just for change because of poor economic conditions. Some because of wall, especially those competing for jobs against illegal aliens. A lot of people had reservations about Trump but simply saw the status quo as going nowhere. Actually judging from where I live pretty easy to understand for these reasons.

Not very much comment about foreign policy except general opinion if USA going into a war just go all in, or pull out.

Kim67

Anyone can afford caviar cream no - Aldi are making the best one on the market and its about $40 compared to the $600 you'll pay at the salon. ;-)

Beoz

Well there you go. I guess that article just plucked a topic from obscurity to jump on the bandwagon.

Beoz

I don't know about that. Personal name calling seems to be reserved for one individual.

Anyhow moving forward, your Russian angle makes plenty of sense. Be closer to your allies but be even closer to your enemies as the saying goes.

morpeth

No what won the presidency for Trump was (a) intense dislike of Clinton (b) people wanting a change because of the poor economic conditions around them and no end in sight (c) tired of a political system that doesn't seem to progress in solving problems.

All the rest of the words the left gets so upset about, people who supported Trump either didn't take seriously, or held their nose hoping he would bring change.

Whether with the establishment-types in Congress Trump can achieve as much as he has promised and the way he has promised who knows. But maybe the left will have a better chance in the next election that instead of considering all Trump supporters "deplorables" maybe consider their legitimate worries, next time around they will do better. Hilary telling coal workers she will help them with "re-training" hardly puts food on the table. I wonder why that is so hard for some people to understand ? It seems the left and the Democrats simply have lost touch with the white working class and poor. They are perceived that they only care about everyone else but not the white working class. That isn't racism, just the impression many have of Clinton and the elite that simply they don't care the effect of their policies.

This doesn't mean Trump will be successful, but people voting for him at least in area I am in, did so for a hope of some positive change. They didn't even see a chance of that under Clinton, and whether correct or not, the feeling was that she looked down on the white working class and poor. I think Sanders could have got their vote.

GarryP

Pity that Trump is unlikely to do a Farrage and run away from the mess he's made. At least not till things go badly wrong and he can't blame someone else.

Tell you what. I will think better of Trump is he doesn't pick the idiot republican politicians as his cabinet and instead packs it with REAL experts in the various areas. He has the scope to do it (since the republicans hate him) and it would then act to counterbalance his incompetence. At least in business he hired good people to do the actual work.

knockoff nige

I didn't say that's how he won it, but what he is.

I think Sanders would have won it but the problem now is finding someone who will run against him in four years. The DNC might try and find their version of Trump and that is not Bernie Sanders.

If John Stewart was to run, I think he'd do well and has a tv personality that reaches further than Trump. It's not his trade but I doubt the DNC will be looking for another career politician in four years time.

knockoff nige

Actually, I think the only way to save the US now is through the Republican Party and the House of Representatives. If he his highly unsuccessful, they'll have got out of jail. But I fear we'll have another GFC before 2020.

morpeth

That is what you and left believe about Trump. Just watched a CNN piece on the 35% of Latinos in Florida who voted for Trump, they don't seem to share that view of Trump. In my area majority voted for Trump, I don't think most would share your views of him ( except about being a narcissist !).

Actually I know won't happen but would be fantastic for country if Sanders and Trump agreed to take on Republican congress together - on infrastructure programs, unfair trade deals- on areas they somewhat agree on. Not saying I agree with all their shared ideas, but together they could force change.

My prediction is revenge of elite will be the media and the Senate blocking much change.

knockoff nige

But surely some Latinos voting for him doesn't mean he isn't racist? He himself probably doesn't think he is racist. It's his ridiculous policies that prove he is. He might be friends with many black people. His full page add against the kids from New York who got wrongfully convicted of rape suggests he is racist. I think he is racist because of his words and his actions.

morpeth

So Clinton's words about "super predators", and policies of her husband that led ( so I understand ) to a lot more minorities in prison, does that make her racist ? People evolve.

I think he said many things just to be elected.

What policies does he have that are racist ?

You are correct if 1/3 of Latinos in Florida voted for him that doesn't prove he isnt a racist, but I think it does show maybe it isn't as clear if he is racist as you think.