Suspected terrorist incident UK Houses of Parliament
Apr 1st 2017, 1:50 am
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Re: Suspected terrorist incident UK Houses of Parliament
Reality is, motivations are generally complex, actions are often not 'terrorism' as such, since they have no political aim (they are more about revenge and suicide by cop), and that there are many non-violent acts which should be considered terrorism if you were to revise the definition at all.
However, the way it's presented is convenient. If you were to properly report christian and jewish terrorism - well, people might begin to join the dots and recognise that all religions that inspire zealotry create problems. So maybe the solution is to limit the extent of religions?
Better for certain people if it's kept 'islamic terrorism' - gives you a nice 'other' to pin your troubles on - same as 'immigrants'.
However, the way it's presented is convenient. If you were to properly report christian and jewish terrorism - well, people might begin to join the dots and recognise that all religions that inspire zealotry create problems. So maybe the solution is to limit the extent of religions?
Better for certain people if it's kept 'islamic terrorism' - gives you a nice 'other' to pin your troubles on - same as 'immigrants'.
Apr 1st 2017, 3:17 am
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Re: Suspected terrorist incident UK Houses of Parliament
People saying Trump this, Hitler that, and generally assuming the very worst of the man. The Sweden incident, where he was battered for getting it mistaken with a town in Iraq, and called an idiot for doing so. He didn't refer to a terrorist attack, what he was referring to was a documentary the previous evening which drew attention to the 1400%, yes that's 1400% rise in rape since the influx of muslim refugees into Sweden. How much longer do we have to listen to people saying it's not all Muslims, we know that and saying it solves nothing. Trying to justify their actions by coming out with shit like, well we're not squeeky clean, crusades blah blah. ISIS doesn't represent islam, ISLAMIC State, the clue's in the name. They're actually the best Muslims out there, they follow the Koran to the letter. The one hope we have is for moderate Muslims AND Christians to listen to their inner Aetheist that's telling them 'Well that verse is a bit much, I'll ignore that and stick to the nice bits' and extrapelate that into 'this book is just a load of old bollocks'
Apr 1st 2017, 7:34 am
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Re: Suspected terrorist incident UK Houses of Parliament
Ho ho. What did you expect from Iraqs transition to demoncracy from being ruled by a cruel dictactor? Perfection?
Its far from perfect but I'm sure you will find if you ask many Iraqis for a pre or post Saddam regime, they find their best future in the post Saddam concepts.
Its far from perfect but I'm sure you will find if you ask many Iraqis for a pre or post Saddam regime, they find their best future in the post Saddam concepts.
Apr 1st 2017, 8:11 am
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Re: Suspected terrorist incident UK Houses of Parliament
Now who needs the reality check? On that basis you are loosing it.
Apr 1st 2017, 8:20 am
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Re: Suspected terrorist incident UK Houses of Parliament
People saying Trump this, Hitler that, and generally assuming the very worst of the man. The Sweden incident, where he was battered for getting it mistaken with a town in Iraq, and called an idiot for doing so. He didn't refer to a terrorist attack, what he was referring to was a documentary the previous evening which drew attention to the 1400%, yes that's 1400% rise in rape since the influx of muslim refugees into Sweden. How much longer do we have to listen to people saying it's not all Muslims, we know that and saying it solves nothing. Trying to justify their actions by coming out with shit like, well we're not squeeky clean, crusades blah blah. ISIS doesn't represent islam, ISLAMIC State, the clue's in the name. They're actually the best Muslims out there, they follow the Koran to the letter. The one hope we have is for moderate Muslims AND Christians to listen to their inner Aetheist that's telling them 'Well that verse is a bit much, I'll ignore that and stick to the nice bits' and extrapelate that into 'this book is just a load of old bollocks'
Interesting read none the less.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/life/weekend-australian-magazine/to-the-max-radicalisation-in-goulburn-prisons-supermax-unit/news-story/9f470879bb8c3a0eec6565ae15fcafab
Apr 1st 2017, 9:29 am
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Re: Suspected terrorist incident UK Houses of Parliament
People claimed there was no christian terrorism, and I demonstrated that not only was there, but that it was recognised as a significant threat. Then you pipe up with your 'no true scotsman' idiocy and prance around like you've said something significant, rather than missing the point entirely.
People label things differently, to exclude those they want to ignore. All instances of christian terrorism WOULD have been called islamic terrorism if the religion were different. If you were making sense you'd realise that either you classify them as christian terrorists, or you accept that the 'islamic terrorists' aren't.
Then to cap it off, you start up with that trump idiocy of calling reality 'fake news'.
If we are to make progress with important topics, like terrorism or global warming, it's important to aggressively reject this kind of moronic outright lying and face the reality of the situation, on the basis of evidence. And whilst global warming is much more of a threat than terrorism, it's worth noting that this kind of idiotic rejection of reality and fact is the underlying cause behind most of them - and is therefore a much bigger threat.
Apr 1st 2017, 9:55 am
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Re: Suspected terrorist incident UK Houses of Parliament
Stop talking crap man.
People claimed there was no christian terrorism, and I demonstrated that not only was there, but that it was recognised as a significant threat. Then you pipe up with your 'no true scotsman' idiocy and prance around like you've said something significant, rather than missing the point entirely.
People label things differently, to exclude those they want to ignore. All instances of christian terrorism WOULD have been called islamic terrorism if the religion were different. If you were making sense you'd realise that either you classify them as christian terrorists, or you accept that the 'islamic terrorists' aren't.
Then to cap it off, you start up with that trump idiocy of calling reality 'fake news'.
If we are to make progress with important topics, like terrorism or global warming, it's important to aggressively reject this kind of moronic outright lying and face the reality of the situation, on the basis of evidence. And whilst global warming is much more of a threat than terrorism, it's worth noting that this kind of idiotic rejection of reality and fact is the underlying cause behind most of them - and is therefore a much bigger threat.
People claimed there was no christian terrorism, and I demonstrated that not only was there, but that it was recognised as a significant threat. Then you pipe up with your 'no true scotsman' idiocy and prance around like you've said something significant, rather than missing the point entirely.
People label things differently, to exclude those they want to ignore. All instances of christian terrorism WOULD have been called islamic terrorism if the religion were different. If you were making sense you'd realise that either you classify them as christian terrorists, or you accept that the 'islamic terrorists' aren't.
Then to cap it off, you start up with that trump idiocy of calling reality 'fake news'.
If we are to make progress with important topics, like terrorism or global warming, it's important to aggressively reject this kind of moronic outright lying and face the reality of the situation, on the basis of evidence. And whilst global warming is much more of a threat than terrorism, it's worth noting that this kind of idiotic rejection of reality and fact is the underlying cause behind most of them - and is therefore a much bigger threat.
Apr 1st 2017, 6:38 pm
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Re: Suspected terrorist incident UK Houses of Parliament
Actually they do, if you take the same reference as used for 'islamic terrorist'.
Reality is, motivations are generally complex, actions are often not 'terrorism' as such, since they have no political aim (they are more about revenge and suicide by cop), and that there are many non-violent acts which should be considered terrorism if you were to revise the definition at all.
However, the way it's presented is convenient. If you were to properly report christian and jewish terrorism - well, people might begin to join the dots and recognise that all religions that inspire zealotry create problems. So maybe the solution is to limit the extent of religions?
Better for certain people if it's kept 'islamic terrorism' - gives you a nice 'other' to pin your troubles on - same as 'immigrants'.
Reality is, motivations are generally complex, actions are often not 'terrorism' as such, since they have no political aim (they are more about revenge and suicide by cop), and that there are many non-violent acts which should be considered terrorism if you were to revise the definition at all.
However, the way it's presented is convenient. If you were to properly report christian and jewish terrorism - well, people might begin to join the dots and recognise that all religions that inspire zealotry create problems. So maybe the solution is to limit the extent of religions?
Better for certain people if it's kept 'islamic terrorism' - gives you a nice 'other' to pin your troubles on - same as 'immigrants'.
Which radical Christian group are thinking are terrorists today threatening Europe ?
Apr 1st 2017, 8:41 pm
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Re: Suspected terrorist incident UK Houses of Parliament
Stop talking crap man.
People claimed there was no christian terrorism, and I demonstrated that not only was there, but that it was recognised as a significant threat. Then you pipe up with your 'no true scotsman' idiocy and prance around like you've said something significant, rather than missing the point entirely.
People label things differently, to exclude those they want to ignore. All instances of christian terrorism WOULD have been called islamic terrorism if the religion were different. If you were making sense you'd realise that either you classify them as christian terrorists, or you accept that the 'islamic terrorists' aren't.
Then to cap it off, you start up with that trump idiocy of calling reality 'fake news'.
If we are to make progress with important topics, like terrorism or global warming, it's important to aggressively reject this kind of moronic outright lying and face the reality of the situation, on the basis of evidence. And whilst global warming is much more of a threat than terrorism, it's worth noting that this kind of idiotic rejection of reality and fact is the underlying cause behind most of them - and is therefore a much bigger threat.
People claimed there was no christian terrorism, and I demonstrated that not only was there, but that it was recognised as a significant threat. Then you pipe up with your 'no true scotsman' idiocy and prance around like you've said something significant, rather than missing the point entirely.
People label things differently, to exclude those they want to ignore. All instances of christian terrorism WOULD have been called islamic terrorism if the religion were different. If you were making sense you'd realise that either you classify them as christian terrorists, or you accept that the 'islamic terrorists' aren't.
Then to cap it off, you start up with that trump idiocy of calling reality 'fake news'.
If we are to make progress with important topics, like terrorism or global warming, it's important to aggressively reject this kind of moronic outright lying and face the reality of the situation, on the basis of evidence. And whilst global warming is much more of a threat than terrorism, it's worth noting that this kind of idiotic rejection of reality and fact is the underlying cause behind most of them - and is therefore a much bigger threat.
-organized Christian terror groups
-individual Christian terrorists inspired by Christian ideology to establish a theocratic state
-major Christian leaders supporting terrorism as a means to effect change
You may have a point that the media at times seems to go out of its way to establish Islamic links to some terrorist attacks. But the reality is that radical Islam is a threat to the West. That is facing reality.
Apr 2nd 2017, 2:04 am
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Re: Suspected terrorist incident UK Houses of Parliament
You have shown absolutely no evidence of currently
-organized Christian terror groups
-individual Christian terrorists inspired by Christian ideology to establish a theocratic state
-major Christian leaders supporting terrorism as a means to effect change
You may have a point that the media at times seems to go out of its way to establish Islamic links to some terrorist attacks. But the reality is that radical Islam is a threat to the West. That is facing reality.
-organized Christian terror groups
-individual Christian terrorists inspired by Christian ideology to establish a theocratic state
-major Christian leaders supporting terrorism as a means to effect change
You may have a point that the media at times seems to go out of its way to establish Islamic links to some terrorist attacks. But the reality is that radical Islam is a threat to the West. That is facing reality.
Apr 2nd 2017, 3:41 am
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Re: Suspected terrorist incident UK Houses of Parliament
Airports and nuclear power stations on terror alert as government officials warn of 'credible' cyber threat
UK airports and nuclear power stations on heightened security alerts - probably from all the radical Christian terrorist groups out there. Can never be too careful when it comes to the Bible thumpers
UK airports and nuclear power stations on heightened security alerts - probably from all the radical Christian terrorist groups out there. Can never be too careful when it comes to the Bible thumpers
Apr 2nd 2017, 3:51 am
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Re: Suspected terrorist incident UK Houses of Parliament
Airports and nuclear power stations on terror alert as government officials warn of 'credible' cyber threat
UK airports and nuclear power stations on heightened security alerts - probably from all the radical Christian terrorist groups out there. Can never be too careful when it comes to the Bible thumpers
UK airports and nuclear power stations on heightened security alerts - probably from all the radical Christian terrorist groups out there. Can never be too careful when it comes to the Bible thumpers
Its insane there's people out there trying to draw parallels between the reasons and results with other groups, including groups who worship other imaginary friends in the sky.
Apr 2nd 2017, 6:20 am
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Re: Suspected terrorist incident UK Houses of Parliament
Again, the origin post being responded doesn't show the slightest thread of evidence to back up your assertions, and even the link posted doesn't even remotely support the assertions.
The OP shows a chart showing that Islamic terrorists are not the only ones, and then leaps to the assumption that there are Christian groups who are seriously threating the West, lone wolf terrorist supporting the creation of a Christian theocracy, and that significant Christian religious leaders support terrorism.
By that logic, an atheist born in a Muslim family suffering from mental illness gets drunk and shoots up a petrol station is an "Islamic" terrorist. However if 100 do that in a three years ad they share certain characteristics, police will use that in their chasing down perpetrators.
The OP shows a chart showing that Islamic terrorists are not the only ones, and then leaps to the assumption that there are Christian groups who are seriously threating the West, lone wolf terrorist supporting the creation of a Christian theocracy, and that significant Christian religious leaders support terrorism.
By that logic, an atheist born in a Muslim family suffering from mental illness gets drunk and shoots up a petrol station is an "Islamic" terrorist. However if 100 do that in a three years ad they share certain characteristics, police will use that in their chasing down perpetrators.
Last edited by morpeth; Apr 2nd 2017 at 6:26 am.
Apr 2nd 2017, 6:50 am
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Re: Suspected terrorist incident UK Houses of Parliament
Again, the origin post being responded doesn't show the slightest thread of evidence to back up your assertions, and even the link posted doesn't even remotely support the assertions.
The OP shows a chart showing that Islamic terrorists are not the only ones, and then leaps to the assumption that there are Christian groups who are seriously threating the West, lone wolf terrorist supporting the creation of a Christian theocracy, and that significant Christian religious leaders support terrorism.
By that logic, an atheist born in a Muslim family suffering from mental illness gets drunk and shoots up a petrol station is an "Islamic" terrorist. However if 100 do that in a three years ad they share certain characteristics, police will use that in their chasing down perpetrators.
The OP shows a chart showing that Islamic terrorists are not the only ones, and then leaps to the assumption that there are Christian groups who are seriously threating the West, lone wolf terrorist supporting the creation of a Christian theocracy, and that significant Christian religious leaders support terrorism.
By that logic, an atheist born in a Muslim family suffering from mental illness gets drunk and shoots up a petrol station is an "Islamic" terrorist. However if 100 do that in a three years ad they share certain characteristics, police will use that in their chasing down perpetrators.
