Beoz

Wow. You pull some rubbish from the internet.

I read 5 other articles about this man in which all evidence points to far right wing and zero about Christianity.

GarryP

Kind of typical. Of you.

And that's the point. Journalists describe attackers such that they are 'other'. So, a far right christian terrorist is likely to be called a 'neo-nazi' - so the reader can feel suitably like they are nothing to do with them, the stereotypical 'bad guy'.

However, if they have even had a sniff of islam, well they are 'muslim terrorists'.

It's a bias and a distortion that means the focus is kept on 'the other' - rather than recognising that religion and zealotry is the common thread.

scrubbedexpat098

Why do they mention which politician he supported, was it simply to associate Trump with terrorism? Seems that way, which makes that a joke publication.

Beoz

Other than in your bizarre article, and equally bizarre website, where else does it say Alexandre Bissonnette was christian? I think you just want to believe that.

From what I read, he was a self proclaim political far right extremist. No religion involved.

Which makes things worst for Islamic terrorists - not only are the far right wing, racist, and bigoted, you can throw in the religion nut bag stuff with it.

GarryP

Well, actually, if you look at what the authorities are worried about, far right domestic terrorism is considered more of a threat in the US than ISIS.

Right-Wing Extremists Are a Bigger Threat to America Than ISIS

And the point is people DON'T have a realistic view of the threat levels - partly because the press attempt to distance attackers from the viewpoints of their readers. The 'far right, christian zealot' type is a significant issue, but because voters are often far right christian zealots, it's not reported or recognised.

Amazulu

More smoke and mirrors and denialism

Europe is where the main problems are occurring - and only Europe can sort it out

Beoz

You really wanted to say the approx 50% who voted for Trump are 'far right, christian zealots'. You really have an odd view of America and have this image in your head of that all Trump voters are gun totting, toothless, church going, hillbillies from the appalachian mountains. That thought process smacks of the very bigotry you are trying to criticise.

GarryP

Strawman : an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

scrubbedexpat098

What percentage equates to 'many' ? If it's 50 then it's not a straw man

morpeth

A terrible incident to be sure.

However the it doesn't address the point as
made (a) how many Christian terrorists are running around blowing themselves up committing terrorist acts ?
(b) what percentage of the terrorist acts affecting the West in recent years have occurred from Christian and Jewish groups in particular using their religion as a justification (c) the article you quote doesn't seem to give much indication of how the terrorist was motivated by religion.

The main threat it is obvious from Islamic terrorism, but that doesn't mean than all terrorist acts come from them- but it is the main terrorism threat the West has to face.

GarryP

As pointed out above, far right, christian terrorism is considered a bigger threat in the US than ISIS. Links also show how the number killed is generally comparable too.

Given that, you might like to wonder why you think "the main threat it is obvious from Islamic terrorism"? And why the above usual suspects so desperately don't want to face what the evidence says?

You might also like to question why those who are most definitely christian zealots, and right wing, get called either 'neo-nazi', 'shooter', 'gunman', or 'mentally disturbed' - whereas someone who is muslim, no matter what else they might be, is called 'islamic terrorist'?

Oh, and why you didn't hear much about this terrorist attack in Canada, which killed more than the London attack, even though it happened recently?

Beoz

Whatever that insult means.

You are trying to defend the indefensible. There is no excuse for bigotry and innocent slaying due to religious beliefs.

You lied about the Quebec right wing extremist. As usual I was able to tear it apart.

Now you keep blaming it on media.

Please. Please.

GarryP

It says you are making things up I never said in order to have something you can actual have a hope of attacking. You do it quite a lot.

And I never said it, you did. See, strawman.

You are the one here that has lied; consistent, flagrantly, and badly. Once again, you didn't come close to 'tear it apart', since all you did was bullshit.

In fact I don't think you have actually engaged once in the actual argument here - preferring to tilt at windmills. This is why I basically don't both engaging with you any more - you are too disconnected from reality to realise you aren't actually making any sense.

Beoz

See. I tore apart your argument, so you I lie (show me where?).

Just because someone challenges and breaks your thought pattern, doesn't mean for an instance its lying.

What is lying is promoting someone as a christian through some "out there" publication where all others don't mention christianity once.

morpeth

The link you posted I looked at again, no where in the link did it show that Christian terrorist groups , in particular ones that are operating on an international scale, are conducting any where near the level of terrorism incidents that Islamic groups are.

Of course I am curious what groups you would consider "Christian" terrorist groups.

There is a difference between the situation in the USA and Europe in regards to the level of threat from Muslim terrorist groups and sympathizers. As far as far-right groups in the USA, the 90's was quite turbulent with these groups, and I recall reading by the end of the 90's sometimes up to 25% of the members of these groups were FBI informants or agents. Are there any comparable mainstream or large Christian organizations that advocate the type of activities that the leaders of the Shia branch of Islam in Iran support ? Is it just a coincidence that between Iran, SIS, Hezbollah, Hamas, and even the Saudi support of fundamentalism worldwide, there is a culture of direct or indirect support of either these terrorists or sympathy with their objectives ?