The Sun dumps Labour
Oct 2nd 2009, 1:28 am
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Re: The Sun dumps Labour
I can understand why you feel so bitter. However now with a devolved Scottish parlament, it's the English who are hard done by and not the Scots, in 2005 Labour would not have won the election had it not been for the Scots voting for them, even though they have their own parlement and own MPs, yet still retain rights to sit in the house of commons. From both sides of the border a break up of the union has been wanted for years.
- Scotland is still part of the UK.and anyway, without us, who would run the country - the English are not great managers.
Oct 2nd 2009, 1:40 am
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Oct 2nd 2009, 2:58 am
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Re: The Sun dumps Labour
The Sun Newspaper encourages a distinct subculture that is instantly recognisable as a cashed-up/ not cashed-up bogan battler subculture down Under.
It's all the same!
Oct 2nd 2009, 3:04 am
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Re: The Sun dumps Labour
Tony Blair was returned with a majority of 66.
However you could equally blame the NW of England who returned 61/76 Labour MPs.
Or the NE of England who returned 28/30 Labour MPs.
Or London returning 44/74 Labour MPs.
Oct 2nd 2009, 3:32 am
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Re: The Sun dumps Labour
So, assuming the inevitable, and The Torys get to power, do you think it is off the back off the way labour has managed the economy or does Joe public genuniely believe the Conservative party have a better set of policies?
Id say, from my time in the UK recently the complete lack of any real respect for Gordon Brown (and lets face it, he is no charactor like Blair ptiched himself in as initially) and mass immigration has lead to their downfall, especially in the home counties, every i spoke to in London or Essex or Cambridgeshire was fed up with the volume of Romanians, Polish and other EU people setting up shop.
No one ever talks about John Major, I must say, seemed like a nice guy when in school I was forced to watch his political programs, and seeing him on BBC recently he comes across extremely sharp. Ill be honest I was in my teens when he was in power and probably the least interested in politics I have ever been.
Sorry, rambling post, but i reckon people just want labour out, like they did the torys in the mid nineties, the time has come for change and nothing brown or his govt can do will sway that i cant imagine.
Id say, from my time in the UK recently the complete lack of any real respect for Gordon Brown (and lets face it, he is no charactor like Blair ptiched himself in as initially) and mass immigration has lead to their downfall, especially in the home counties, every i spoke to in London or Essex or Cambridgeshire was fed up with the volume of Romanians, Polish and other EU people setting up shop.
No one ever talks about John Major, I must say, seemed like a nice guy when in school I was forced to watch his political programs, and seeing him on BBC recently he comes across extremely sharp. Ill be honest I was in my teens when he was in power and probably the least interested in politics I have ever been.
Sorry, rambling post, but i reckon people just want labour out, like they did the torys in the mid nineties, the time has come for change and nothing brown or his govt can do will sway that i cant imagine.
Oct 2nd 2009, 3:43 am
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Re: The Sun dumps Labour
The question is here, is that even though Labour have f#cked up just as much as the Tories had by 97, have the Tories done enough and set themselves up as a viable alternative government for people to vote for them?
Oct 2nd 2009, 3:44 am
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Re: The Sun dumps Labour
So, assuming the inevitable, and The Torys get to power, do you think it is off the back off the way labour has managed the economy or does Joe public genuniely believe the Conservative party have a better set of policies?
Id say, from my time in the UK recently the complete lack of any real respect for Gordon Brown (and lets face it, he is no charactor like Blair ptiched himself in as initially) and mass immigration has lead to their downfall, especially in the home counties, every i spoke to in London or Essex or Cambridgeshire was fed up with the volume of Romanians, Polish and other EU people setting up shop.
No one ever talks about John Major, I must say, seemed like a nice guy when in school I was forced to watch his political programs, and seeing him on BBC recently he comes across extremely sharp. Ill be honest I was in my teens when he was in power and probably the least interested in politics I have ever been.
Sorry, rambling post, but i reckon people just want labour out, like they did the torys in the mid nineties, the time has come for change and nothing brown or his govt can do will sway that i cant imagine.
Id say, from my time in the UK recently the complete lack of any real respect for Gordon Brown (and lets face it, he is no charactor like Blair ptiched himself in as initially) and mass immigration has lead to their downfall, especially in the home counties, every i spoke to in London or Essex or Cambridgeshire was fed up with the volume of Romanians, Polish and other EU people setting up shop.
No one ever talks about John Major, I must say, seemed like a nice guy when in school I was forced to watch his political programs, and seeing him on BBC recently he comes across extremely sharp. Ill be honest I was in my teens when he was in power and probably the least interested in politics I have ever been.
Sorry, rambling post, but i reckon people just want labour out, like they did the torys in the mid nineties, the time has come for change and nothing brown or his govt can do will sway that i cant imagine.
Oct 2nd 2009, 3:45 am
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Re: The Sun dumps Labour
That's very true, but at the same time they needed someone else to vote for. Britain had been trying to NOT vote conservative for years before the 97 election, but Labour could not put up a semi-decent opposition.
The question is here, is that even though Labour have f#cked up just as much as the Tories had by 97, have the Tories done enough and set themselves up as a viable alternative government for people to vote for them?
The question is here, is that even though Labour have f#cked up just as much as the Tories had by 97, have the Tories done enough and set themselves up as a viable alternative government for people to vote for them?
Oct 2nd 2009, 3:57 am
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But it's the same anywhere really. I remember WANTING to vote Labour in 97. For me it wasn't about kicking out the Tories, although that was a nice by-product, it was about voting for an exciting New-Labour.
Same here in Aus. People had been wanting to kick out the Coalition for quite some years too. But Labour kept making p!ssweak attempts at forming a viable opposition. As soon as they got their act together people were willing to make the switch.
I am not sure the Tories have done enough
Same here in Aus. People had been wanting to kick out the Coalition for quite some years too. But Labour kept making p!ssweak attempts at forming a viable opposition. As soon as they got their act together people were willing to make the switch.
I am not sure the Tories have done enough
Oct 2nd 2009, 4:03 am
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Thinks.
Oh yes! Gordon Brown and his well-known right wing views.
Give me a break!
Oct 2nd 2009, 4:59 am
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Are you tryin to say he's a socialist.Labour and Tory govts are all in the pockets of big business.
Oct 2nd 2009, 5:14 am
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( I can't actually think of too many leftwing policies that have worked in anything but the short term either in principle or practice, but that might just be me <g>.)
Oct 2nd 2009, 5:23 am
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Seems to be a common theme that, when a policy or philosophy *works*, the instigator is a socialist but, when it's a disaster he is, somehow, "right wing".
( I can't actually think of too many leftwing policies that have worked in anything but the short term either in principle or practice, but that might just be me <g>.)
( I can't actually think of too many leftwing policies that have worked in anything but the short term either in principle or practice, but that might just be me <g>.)
Incidentally, my reading material lately was Fidel Castro, My Life and how Cuba has managed to successfully implement a socialist programme despite continued attempts by the U.S. to hijack them by foul means.
Oct 2nd 2009, 5:27 am
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>> I knew Brown as a lecturer and a socialist he aint. <<
You are better informed than I but still, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck there's a pretty good chance that it *is* a duck <g>.
>> Incidentally, my reading material lately was Fidel Castro, My Life and how Cuba has managed to successfully implement a socialist programme despite continued attempts by the U.S. to hijack them by foul means.
<<
I prefer non-fiction personally <g>.
You are better informed than I but still, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck there's a pretty good chance that it *is* a duck <g>.
>> Incidentally, my reading material lately was Fidel Castro, My Life and how Cuba has managed to successfully implement a socialist programme despite continued attempts by the U.S. to hijack them by foul means.
<<I prefer non-fiction personally <g>.