isgraham

So was Hitler and he died for his convictions.

isgraham

So Bush was left wing was he? Remember this crisis all emanated from dodgy lending in the US.

Centurion

Congratulations. You loose the debate.

Godwin's_law

renth

ROTFL

Broad Shoulders

In all fairness though the basis of your argument about how Thatcher was positive for the country is also just as valid a argument for how dictators from all parts of history have also been positive for their respective countries. Thatcher and dictatorships is not that proposterous a link.

the troubadour

Refer to governments who chose for reasons of their own to ignore the warnings...i saw it coming as well and many did..but even more did not.

isgraham

I wasn't debating just stating a fact. In fact Hitler and the National Socialists managed to pull Germany out of depression by carrying out a program of infrastructure works and rearmament so economically in the early days he did a lot of good for Germany. His convictions and where he went from there were of course undefensable. In fact all having convictions mean is that you are unable or unwilling to change your mind from the position you hold even when a better way presents itself. So I wouldn't say that having convictions is a good thing. But it certainly appeals to those less able to analyse a situation and think for themselves such as Sun readers.

Centurion

Whereas I was pausing for a moment of humor . Unfortunately I disagree with you in so far as without conviction man would achieve nothing. Whether someones convictions are of good or ill intent, or result in good or ill works is another matter entirely.

My original statement was intended to deride modern day fair weather politicans who seem to confuse the media with the electorate who put them there based on a set of promises made.

Margaret Thatcher took a crumbling Britain and turned it around. Most certainly some of her policy decisions were poor to my mind, but that is just subjective. Her convictions did lead the UK out of a dark modern day period. Ultimately she paid the price for holding her convictions to heart. I don't believe a strong analogy is that of the worlds most infamous never elected dictator.

Vash the Stampede

True, but let's remember that they weren't Socialists in any sense of the word.

Broad Shoulders

But then neither are the Australian National Party a right wing nationalist political party. Nor was the German Democratic Republic a democracy. It goes without saying that political parties and names are often irrelevant from each other.

framac67

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbo_d

If Thatcher was so unpopular then why was she and her party with her in charge voted in 3 times?

To Scottish people and the working classes, she was the devil incarnate and when Scotland didnt vote for her but had to suffer her then bring on independence so it never happens again. FREEDOM FROM THE TORY SCUM.

Kapri

For me, the most worrying thing about this is just how much influence The sun has, no matter who they support.
I can just see all these Sun readers going off to the polls to vote for the party they've been told to vote for. Worrying.

isgraham

Yes she deregulated the Banks (hasn't ended too well) and destroyed many industries basically turning the UK into a money go round economy rather than actually producing anything of value.

She also never got a majority of the popular vote so it was rule by a minority over the majority.

paulry

Ouch. Having been outside of the UK throughout the 80s, I never realised that there was such anti-Thatcher sentiment in Scotland.

Sally Redux

She wasn't totally popular in England.