Beoz

Perhaps he bled out on the footpath, then dragged onto the road. I have no idea how long it takes to bled out, but there are certainly blood drag marks.

All speculative really and unlikely to be a hoax.

sonlymewalter

The specialists in the field of terrorism are saying its the "lone wolves" that are now going to be the problem regarding terrorism in the future as this is a much harder strategy to monitor and eradicate as opposed to big cells of terrorists.

One or two terrorists at a time is harder to understand simply because to some degree it creates the feeling that it's just "one or two idiots who went off the rails" - where in fact over time it may be one or two here and there...from a cell..... and that's their overall strategy....

We need to understand where they are influenced and by who and get rid of their "schools" and "teachers".

Wars are no longer fought by soldiers with big guns and powerful armies

Beoz

Well .... some join gangs ...... others convert to Islam ..... why ..... insecurities.

Amazulu

I think terrorists like this must be a nightmare for the authorities. Small cells, no emails, no mobile phone calls, not buying chemicals etc. Young black guys with local accents buying guns on the street of SE London would not raise an eyebrow

A big problem and if it continues could cause a big fracture in their society

sonlymewalter

yep thats why they have to be monitored by their own ie other Muslim people in the community. they need to be driven out of their holes, the places they're being recruited and the people who are recruiting them.

Like you say not an easy job for security forces..

mikelincs

However, both of these had been flagged by security forces as 'possibilities'.

JoeBloggs80

Agree. These guys were loony psychos, who turned out how they did for a myriad of reasons. It is nowhere near as simple as 'he was indoctrinated by islam'.

Chopping someone up in broad daylight shouting doesnt make you a muslim crusader, it just makes you a ****ing nutter.

Funny how pretty much everyone is advoctating to remain calm in the face of this 'terrorism' yet the media do the exact opposite.

GarryP

This is largely journalistic bull. 'Self funded autonomous cells' have been on the radar since before 2001. Their issue is that they either have to take only very general direction (and are thus ineffective), or be connected into a communications channel with a bigger organisation (which can be compromised).

That's provided they are made up of stupid people.

You need a hell of a lot more tactics and strategy than that to be effective.

These groups are understandable provided you don't get wrapped up in what you think they should be (eg those who think they must be insane).

Their influence is youtube and the 6:30 news, little else is needed to get a thug worked up. Rather the concentration is to make sure nobody with a brain takes control (eg OBL).

Nope, they are fought with accountants and sovereign wealth funds.

sonlymewalter

yeh but that's the problem - security has been led to believe if theres one or two its not a real threat but in reality that's where this is now. No longer the big cell but the smaller lone wolves.

Maybe security will wake up and smell the coffee like Zulu says this is as good as it gets from now on - its harder to detect because of it.

Bernieboy

Or british in the name of their queen.

ukecadet

First off he was crushed by the car against a lamp-post'internal bleeding' then they repeated stabbed him in the stomach before they dragged him into the middle of the road to decapitate him.He probably bled out before the decapitation .

Shard

Not sure, but I don't think he was actually decapitated, think it was attempted. Very gruesome however you look at it. Any conspiracy theories are nonsense.

Amazulu

I enjoyed watching the cops drop those 2 ******s

Going up against an MP5 with a knife is not a good idea

With All Due Respect...

I hope you didn't just call me an ex-terrorist!

Edit: I'm sure you didn't. I get your point, I imagine. There are atrocities committed by bad eggs in whichever groups of people you wish to think of, from professional military to primary school teachers to physicians. This can cover all religions or none, any gender, any nationality... On the whole though, HM Forces do not get the support and credit from the population that they should. Don't rail at a soldier who has put their life on the line for their country because you disagree with where they have been sent to ply their trade. In doing so they put their trust in their command of giving them a worthwhile cause. If that cause is questionable, legally or morally, then it is down to the public to change the minds of the politicians who task HM Forces, either by protest or at the ballot box. Members of HM Forces do not have the luxury of picking and choosing their postings, tours, or of choosing not to do their job if they personally disagree with policy. The Forces are a tool of the realm and can be used for good or bad, and should be used very carefully indeed, but they are at the whims of non military, short sighted, electioneering, corrupt, self interested politicians. I'm not saying that all in the military are whiter than white - very far from it, in fact - but to actively choose to put your life in the hands of others and their all too easily politically postured decisions means that HM Forces should get unwavering support from every citizen (and the public should take a far greater interest in the policy of the people that they elect). The Americans, whilst almost overly fanatical in their support at times, have got this pretty much right. The UK has it very wrong.

Of course, the atrocity the other day and its coverage due to the public and media outcry is exactly what those 2 creatures wished for. The media fulfils their aims. Our own free society, free speech, media, wish for transparency, and means of spreading information is used against us to turn public opinion. I'm not saying being in Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan or anywhere else is right or wrong. It's too multi faceted for a short debate and I'm not getting into a long one. It's hard to believe HM Forces have ever been used on a large deployment with purely altruistic thoughts though. The guys who carried out this sickening act may well have a valid point, but in doing what they have done to garner attention to their point they risk a hardening of public opinion and a backlash against the very religious denomination they claim to be wishing to aid. It's a very fine line. Make no mistake though, it was an abhorrent act in every way imaginable.

As for my personal feelings towards this, it suffices to say that as an ex-serviceman I am appalled, disgusted, outraged and furious. However, I am not surprised.

Bernieboy

I hope yer avatar ain't threatening me