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Oscar Pistorius Verdict - You be the Judge
Sep 11th 2014, 11:15 am
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Verdict - You be the Judge
This judge is extremely poor. She seems to be trying as hard as possible to not find him guilty of murder - taking his word on factors where things don't add up and discarding other witnesses.
There will be an appeal on this one, if for no other reason than the judge seems to have no logic.
We are down to manslaughter now, can she wish that away too?
There will be an appeal on this one, if for no other reason than the judge seems to have no logic.
We are down to manslaughter now, can she wish that away too?
Sep 11th 2014, 12:27 pm
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Verdict - You be the Judge
Looks like Manslaughter.
Not the correct verdict, but at least she didn't try to find him not guilty entirely.
Not the correct verdict, but at least she didn't try to find him not guilty entirely.
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Sep 11th 2014, 12:31 pm
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Verdict - You be the Judge
no minimum sentence prescribed.
it could be community service!
it could be community service!
Sep 11th 2014, 5:36 pm
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Sep 11th 2014, 7:43 pm
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Sep 12th 2014, 8:24 am
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Verdict - You be the Judge
Guilty of Culpable homicide
Sep 12th 2014, 8:43 am
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How many years?
Sep 12th 2014, 8:44 am
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Verdict - You be the Judge
Judge is having a 5 minute break to speak to lawyers.
sentencing may come at a later date
looks like they have to have another mini trail to decide on the actual sentence
sentencing may come at a later date
looks like they have to have another mini trail to decide on the actual sentence
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Sep 12th 2014, 9:14 am
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Verdict - You be the Judge
Maximum sentence could be 15 years. He has also been found guilty of another firearms offence, discharging a firearm in a restaurant
Sep 12th 2014, 9:58 am
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Verdict - You be the Judge
Judge Masipa got it wrong - IOL News | IOL.co.za
Thing is, the judge said
In relation to murder dolus eventualis, Judge Masipa said the question was whether Pistorius had foreseen the possibility of a death yet persisted in his actions that fateful evening.
“In the circumstances of this case the answer has to be no. How could the accused reasonably have foreseen that the shot he fired and kill the deceased?
“Clearly he did not subjectively foresee this as a possibility that he would kill the person behind the door let alone the deceased.”
“In the circumstances of this case the answer has to be no. How could the accused reasonably have foreseen that the shot he fired and kill the deceased?
“Clearly he did not subjectively foresee this as a possibility that he would kill the person behind the door let alone the deceased.”
Without any direct threat to him (someone locked behind a bathroom door is threatened by what's outside, not the reverse, fairly obviously, by the evidence) he fired a line of bullets at about crotch height, with some serious ammo, across the toilet volume.
He obviously meant to kill whoever was inside. It's unreasonable to think anything else. That's what the line of bullets said.
Thus it should have been murder that was proven. Not premeditated, but still murder.
Judge got it wrong, and it's pretty likely that this will get appealed.
Sep 12th 2014, 11:52 am
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Verdict - You be the Judge
Nope, and I'm not the only one who thought the judge got it wrong
Judge Masipa got it wrong - IOL News | IOL.co.za
Thing is, the judge said
which simply is not borne out by the evidence.
Without any direct threat to him (someone locked behind a bathroom door is threatened by what's outside, not the reverse, fairly obviously, by the evidence) he fired a line of bullets at about crotch height, with some serious ammo, across the toilet volume.
He obviously meant to kill whoever was inside. It's unreasonable to think anything else. That's what the line of bullets said.
Thus it should have been murder that was proven. Not premeditated, but still murder.
Judge got it wrong, and it's pretty likely that this will get appealed.
Judge Masipa got it wrong - IOL News | IOL.co.za
Thing is, the judge said
which simply is not borne out by the evidence.
Without any direct threat to him (someone locked behind a bathroom door is threatened by what's outside, not the reverse, fairly obviously, by the evidence) he fired a line of bullets at about crotch height, with some serious ammo, across the toilet volume.
He obviously meant to kill whoever was inside. It's unreasonable to think anything else. That's what the line of bullets said.
Thus it should have been murder that was proven. Not premeditated, but still murder.
Judge got it wrong, and it's pretty likely that this will get appealed.
Sep 12th 2014, 12:00 pm
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Verdict - You be the Judge
The judge said that as she understands the law, in order to prove murder, the offender must know who the person is who they intend to kill. The prosecutor was unable to prove that OP knew who was behind the door, therefore unable to find a conviction for murder. Pretty simple if you ask me.
As said, she got it wrong.
Intent to murder is the point, the identity of the target is immaterial.
Sep 12th 2014, 12:07 pm
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Verdict - You be the Judge
Nope, and I'm not the only one who thought the judge got it wrong
Judge Masipa got it wrong - IOL News | IOL.co.za
Thing is, the judge said:
In relation to murder dolus eventualis, Judge Masipa said the question was whether Pistorius had foreseen the possibility of a death yet persisted in his actions that fateful evening.
“In the circumstances of this case the answer has to be no. How could the accused reasonably have foreseen that the shot he fired and kill the deceased?
“Clearly he did not subjectively foresee this as a possibility that he would kill the person behind the door let alone the deceased.”
which simply is not borne out by the evidence.
Without any direct threat to him (someone locked behind a bathroom door is threatened by what's outside, not the reverse, fairly obviously, by the evidence) he fired a line of bullets at about crotch height, with some serious ammo, across the toilet volume.
He obviously meant to kill whoever was inside. It's unreasonable to think anything else. That's what the line of bullets said.
Thus it should have been murder that was proven. Not premeditated, but still murder.
Judge got it wrong, and it's pretty likely that this will get appealed.
Judge Masipa got it wrong - IOL News | IOL.co.za
Thing is, the judge said:
In relation to murder dolus eventualis, Judge Masipa said the question was whether Pistorius had foreseen the possibility of a death yet persisted in his actions that fateful evening.
“In the circumstances of this case the answer has to be no. How could the accused reasonably have foreseen that the shot he fired and kill the deceased?
“Clearly he did not subjectively foresee this as a possibility that he would kill the person behind the door let alone the deceased.”
which simply is not borne out by the evidence.
Without any direct threat to him (someone locked behind a bathroom door is threatened by what's outside, not the reverse, fairly obviously, by the evidence) he fired a line of bullets at about crotch height, with some serious ammo, across the toilet volume.
He obviously meant to kill whoever was inside. It's unreasonable to think anything else. That's what the line of bullets said.
Thus it should have been murder that was proven. Not premeditated, but still murder.
Judge got it wrong, and it's pretty likely that this will get appealed.
The judge said that as she understands the law, in order to prove murder, the offender must know who the person is who they intend to kill. The prosecutor was unable to prove that OP knew who was behind the door, therefore unable to find a conviction for murder. Pretty simple if you ask me.
Sep 12th 2014, 12:17 pm
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Verdict - You be the Judge
Yes, I did wonder about that as well. He fired two dum-dum bullets, paused and then fired two more. He would have known after the first two shots that whoever was behind that door would be dead. Yet he fired two more.
After mulling it over: That could be the weakness of her argument. The fact that he killed the wrong person (and assuming we believe his story), he still clearly intended to kill someone - which is murder in my opinion.
After mulling it over: That could be the weakness of her argument. The fact that he killed the wrong person (and assuming we believe his story), he still clearly intended to kill someone - which is murder in my opinion.