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Old Jun 8th 2017, 2:17 pm
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Originally Posted by OzTennis
A thought provoking article for anyone with an open mind to consider:

Why British Muslims Hate Extremism More Than You Do | HuffPost UK

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Without even reading it (I don't read Huff post) I have no doubts they do. Plenty of good Muslims out there. Not sure anyone is saying otherwise. What's your point?
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Just got kick out of a restaurant near Trafalgar Sq by cops with nice looking machine guns. They have shut down the whole square and streets adjoining.
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Originally Posted by OzTennis
A thought provoking article for anyone with an open mind to consider:

Why British Muslims Hate Extremism More Than You Do | HuffPost UK

(watch the 'fake news', you can't believe that source etc comments)
No-one has said otherwise, perhaps it's you that is closed minded
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About bloody time.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/07/hundreds-of-muslim-leaders-gather-on-london-bridge-to-condemn-attacks-6691965/

Finally some leadership.
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Without even reading it (I don't read Huff post) I have no doubts they do. Plenty of good Muslims out there. Not sure anyone is saying otherwise. What's your point?
Without even reading it you know what it's about! The point is in the article so if you aren't prepared to read it why do I have to spell it out for you?
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Without even reading it you know what it's about! The point is in the article so if you aren't prepared to read it why do I have to spell it out for you?
Remind me again, what is your point?
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Remind me again, what is your point?
It's in the article. (Catch 22)
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It's in the article. (Catch 22)
I'd like to hear your point. Not someone elses.
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I'd like to hear your point. Not someone elses.
No, you don't want to hear my point, you think I've got half a brain because I didn't vote for May.
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Just got kick out of a restaurant near Trafalgar Sq by cops with nice looking machine guns. They have shut down the whole square and streets adjoining.
I get that you support all UK police carrying guns. But I find it very sad and a bit disturbing that the sight of machine guns and cordoned off areas excites you.
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Originally Posted by OzTennis
A thought provoking article for anyone with an open mind to consider:

Why British Muslims Hate Extremism More Than You Do | HuffPost UK

(watch the 'fake news', you can't believe that source etc comments)
The article though doesn't contradict the that it is quite possible, some would say probable that 1% of the Muslim population in Britain is a threat or potential threat. That is one out of 100, certainly the security services need to focus attention on that group, as well as add more security personnel at every level.

The continued comments that most Muslims in Britain doesn't support terrorism in one sense is irrelevant because no one is saying they do, and the issue is how to deal with the threat. Perhaps the Muslims as a whole need to do more to deal with the extremists or beliefs within Islam that are contrary to commonly accepted British values.
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Originally Posted by OzTennis
A thought provoking article for anyone with an open mind to consider:

Why British Muslims Hate Extremism More Than You Do | HuffPost UK

(watch the 'fake news', you can't believe that source etc comments)
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Originally Posted by morpeth
The article though doesn't contradict the that it is quite possible, some would say probable that 1% of the Muslim population in Britain is a threat or potential threat. That is one out of 100, certainly the security services need to focus attention on that group, as well as add more security personnel at every level.

The continued comments that most Muslims in Britain doesn't support terrorism in one sense is irrelevant because no one is saying they do, and the issue is how to deal with the threat. Perhaps the Muslims as a whole need to do more to deal with the extremists or beliefs within Islam that are contrary to commonly accepted British values.
Not sure where you got the 1% figure from, but if it is the post earlier in this thread, the quote was "a small fraction of 1%". If you do the maths, it is actually 0.1%. Whether or not that still troubles is down to you.
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Not sure where you got the 1% figure from, but if it is the post earlier in this thread, the quote was "a small fraction of 1%". If you do the maths, it is actually 0.1%. Whether or not that still troubles is down to you.
Simple: assumed 3,000 out of 20,000 meant 20,000 and then assumed the figure was understated so could be 30,000 which is 1%. It wasn't in the same realm as the other poster who had the 3,000 all doing what a handful have done and said that could be 66,000 Brits killed. I'm not trying to minimise the threat or the danger from the nutters by any means.
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Simple: assumed 3,000 out of 20,000 meant 20,000 and then assumed the figure was understated so could be 30,000 which is 1%. It wasn't in the same realm as the other poster who had the 3,000 all doing what a handful have done and said that could be 66,000 Brits killed. I'm not trying to minimise the threat or the danger from the nutters by any means.
The 1% figure just an assumption- the British security service official interviewed on BBC stated that 500 cases were being "actively" investigated which involved 3,000 people , and that another 20,000 were individuals identified "of concern". I don't think unreasonable to assume there are some the British security services haven't yet identified, so say 7,000. At 30,000 if the Muslim population in Britain 3 million, that would be 1%. Just roughly seems the figure of 1% in probability a more accurate figure to use that .1%.

Kind of worrisome one would think that 1 out of 100 may have already shown some indication of being or having distinct potential to become terrorists.
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