Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
Jul 28th 2015, 5:35 pm
#571
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Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
Well they could if they start off as different genders, have children and then one of them has a sex change. That would make them a gay couple with their own natural children, right?
The next bonkers LGBT can of worms will be genderless birth certificates and birth certificates with two mothers and no father, or two fathers and no mother.
The next bonkers LGBT can of worms will be genderless birth certificates and birth certificates with two mothers and no father, or two fathers and no mother.
Birth certificates can have one parent, so no father is common practice now. Isn't the parents to establish who is responsible for the child? So whoever it is should be on the certificate.
I assume the gender is to help identification, I would think this day and age that DNA is more reliable than f or m. a readable card would seem to be more suitable for identification with modern technology. Rather than gender, weight, height, or whatever is written on the certificate.
Jul 28th 2015, 8:37 pm
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Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
A gay cousin of mine (English, in England) gave me formal notice a couple of years ago that I should add his new child to the family tree. (I'm the family genealogist.) Ohh-kay, but, er ... He explained that his 'best friend' - female, also gay and in a loving relationship - had wanted a child, and by him, and that he was perfectly agreeable to do whatever was necessary (I didn't enquire how the deed was done), and did it, and in due course she did produce a child, and my cousin was registered as the father. At last report, the baby was being brought up by four parents.
If people want to to keep reciting cases where children know their biological parents go ahead. It has no bearing on cases where children don't know a biological parent and the issues children (and adults for that matter) have with it.
Jul 28th 2015, 8:41 pm
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Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
Jul 28th 2015, 9:09 pm
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Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
So the child knows their biological parents? Sounds like a perfect plan but what's your point?
If people want to to keep reciting cases where children know their biological parents go ahead. It has no bearing on cases where children don't know a biological parent and the issues children (and adults for that matter) have with it.
If people want to to keep reciting cases where children know their biological parents go ahead. It has no bearing on cases where children don't know a biological parent and the issues children (and adults for that matter) have with it.
Jul 28th 2015, 9:11 pm
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Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
Jul 28th 2015, 9:21 pm
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Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
What are these thing needed for?
Birth certificates can have one parent, so no father is common practice now. Isn't the parents to establish who is responsible for the child? So whoever it is should be on the certificate.
I assume the gender is to help identification, I would think this day and age that DNA is more reliable than f or m. a readable card would seem to be more suitable for identification with modern technology. Rather than gender, weight, height, or whatever is written on the certificate.
Birth certificates can have one parent, so no father is common practice now. Isn't the parents to establish who is responsible for the child? So whoever it is should be on the certificate.
I assume the gender is to help identification, I would think this day and age that DNA is more reliable than f or m. a readable card would seem to be more suitable for identification with modern technology. Rather than gender, weight, height, or whatever is written on the certificate.
Jul 28th 2015, 9:23 pm
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Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
If the DNA is a more accurate identification then why do we bother with a birth certificate at all? An interesting aspect (now that you've brought DNA) into the discussion is no matter how much we try to change appearances we cannot change nature. That person will always possess the true gender that they were born with.
Pray, tell us more.... 
Jul 28th 2015, 9:30 pm
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Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
Because the left argue for me me me me and focus on the individual and micro matters rather than looking at the 40,000 ft view of things. That's when things unravel.
Jul 28th 2015, 9:34 pm
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Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
Gender is an area I fear to tread, an area that confuses the hell out of me, so I am not the person to explain, despite the word causing even more confusion for apparently at least two of you. But it is not a synonym for sex.
Jul 28th 2015, 9:36 pm
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