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Old Sep 1st 2017, 3:41 am   #226
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Name calling. How about arguing the topic?
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Old Sep 1st 2017, 5:15 am   #228
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Name calling. How about arguing the topic?
No, not name calling and just asking the question since you seem to being deliberately obtuse.

Anyone who works legitimately in the USA can get a SSN - it is not a right or privilege restricted to US citizens as already pointed out. It is not a right or privilege full stop.
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No, not name calling and just asking the question since you seem to being deliberately obtuse.

Anyone who works legitimately in the USA can get a SSN - it is not a right or privilege restricted to US citizens as already pointed out. It is not a right or privilege full stop.
This is what Derryn Hinch is arguing. Its also what a number of lawyers have been arguing. The wording of the section is obtuse, and therefore will be interpreted in many ways until the high court makes it decision, which will set precedence for the future.

In this case, if you have legitimately work in the US, you are given rights and privileges of a US citizen.

If your father was born in the UK, you are given the rights and privileged of a UK citizen.

As Australian citizens, we are all given some rights and privileges of NZ citizens.

Is it being obtuse, absolutely, but don't attack me personally.

I wasn't the idiot who wrote section 44.
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This is what Derryn Hinch is arguing. Its also what a number of lawyers have been arguing. The wording of the section is obtuse, and therefore will be interpreted in many ways until the high court makes it decision, which will set precedence for the future.

In this case, if you have legitimately work in the US, you are given rights and privileges of a US citizen.

If your father was born in the UK, you are given the rights and privileged of a UK citizen.

As Australian citizens, we are all given some rights and privileges of NZ citizens.

Is it being obtuse, absolutely, but don't attack me personally.

I wasn't the idiot who wrote section 44.
If you work in the US as a non-citizen, you are required to hold a valid visa. As part of this, you will also be required to obtain a SSN. This is not the same as the right or privileges of being an American Citizen, who can work freely as well as many other rights and privilege's afforded them.

I hold a PR visa, have a TFN but do not have all the rights and privilege's that being an Australian citizen would have, since I am restricted in some of the work I can do, I cannot vote, and probably many more.

Section 44 does not say 'entitled to some of the rights and privileges'

EDIT - and sorry if I was name calling I would have called you a troll, not asked you if you were trying to be perceived that way.

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If you work in the US as a non-citizen, you are required to hold a valid visa. As part of this, you will also be required to obtain a SSN. This is not the same as the right or privileges of being an American Citizen, who can work freely as well as many other rights and privilege's afforded them.
I agree, its not the same as being as citizen, and pretty much along the same lines as having a father who was born in Britain or somewhere where they can claim you as their own.

But the wording is what it is.

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Section 44 does not say 'entitled to all of the rights and privileges'

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EDIT - and sorry if I was name calling I would have called you a troll, not asked you if you were trying to be perceived that way.
I will accept devils advocate.
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So Xenophon jumps before he's pushed. That does not sound like the rest have a cat in hell's chance of surviving. High court case is next week, sounds like its a foregone conclusion.

Nick Xenophon to return to South Australian politics in 'do or die' effort - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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So Xenophon jumps before he's pushed. That does not sound like the rest have a cat in hell's chance of surviving. High court case is next week, sounds like its a foregone conclusion.

Nick Xenophon to return to South Australian politics in 'do or die' effort - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Did you actually read your own left wing article?

Its pretty clear "Regardless of the high court decision, I can't fix home when I am not in it so I shall go home to do it"
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Did you actually read your own left wing article?

Its pretty clear "Regardless of the high court decision, I can't fix home when I am not in it so I shall go home to do it"
Even you aren't THAT naive ...
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Even you aren't THAT naive ...
It makes perfect sense. SA is a basket case. The guy has been campaigning for SA for years and failing miserably. Its the only thing he cares about - he lives in a narrow bubble. Its not working at a federal level.

Just because you are the salesman of doom and gloom, doesn't mean anyone, sorry I mean everyone, buys your crap.
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