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Old Aug 21st 2017, 6:55 pm   #181
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Looks like there is another one with questions to answer, liberal Ann Sudmalis

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Sudmalis could not be a British citizen by descent as British women were unable to pass on their citizenship to their children before 1 January 1983. The only way she could have became a British citizen is by registration.
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Looks like there is another one with questions to answer, liberal Ann Sudmalis

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...passenger-card
Did you conveniently forget your mate?

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/current-affairs/bill-shorten-obama-had-to-produce-his-birth-certificate-and-they-said-it-was-a-fake/news-story/cf92d59441d6124f4c0867bf8951439b

According to Shorten, the way out of dual citizenship is to just say you renouced, and its done. The Libs and Greens should have used that dirty little left wing trick. Mediscare anyone?

The lies that come out of this man's mouth are just extraordinary.
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Old Aug 21st 2017, 11:50 pm   #183
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Sudmalis could not be a British citizen by descent as British women were unable to pass on their citizenship to their children before 1 January 1983. The only way she could have became a British citizen is by registration.
Yeah, but then in a fit of PC, they retroactively changed it so that if you would have got citizenship by descent on the matriarchal line.

https://www.gov.uk/register-british-...british-mother

Now that says 'register', but the question is if citizenship is automatically granted anyway, and even if not, the 'rights and privileges' bit might still catch her. As I say, questions.
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Yeah, but then in a fit of PC, they retroactively changed it so that if you would have got citizenship by descent on the matriarchal line.

https://www.gov.uk/register-british-...british-mother

Now that says 'register', but the question is if citizenship is automatically granted anyway, and even if not, the 'rights and privileges' bit might still catch her. As I say, questions.
No, you don't get it anyway. That's why you need to register by making an application and attending a citizenship ceremony. Without doing so you're not a citizen and therefore would not receive any 'rights and privileges'.
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No, you don't get it anyway. That's why you need to register by making an application and attending a citizenship ceremony. Without doing so you're not a citizen and therefore would not receive any 'rights and privileges'.
Looks like Bill Shorten is off the hook. Repeat liars can't pass the good character test.

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Looks like Bill Shorten is off the hook.
Looks like Joyce and Caravan are hung out to dry, with the Solicitor-General admitting they were dual citizens when they stood.

Dual citizenship: Barnaby Joyce, Matt Canavan High Court submission

Upshot is, they rely on "but I knew nothing" as their sole reason for why they shouldn't be kicked out of parliament.

Since they are now only trying to make excuses, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the High Court said they had to sit out of parliament pending the hearing of the full case. They've basically admitted guilt.
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Looks like Joyce and Caravan are hung out to dry, with the Solicitor-General admitting they were dual citizens when they stood.

Dual citizenship: Barnaby Joyce, Matt Canavan High Court submission

Upshot is, they rely on "but I knew nothing" as their sole reason for why they shouldn't be kicked out of parliament.

Since they are now only trying to make excuses, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the High Court said they had to sit out of parliament pending the hearing of the full case. They've basically admitted guilt.
See video in post 182. That beats them all.

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The Attorney-General has also called on the court to order each of the referred politicians to provide “all documents in their possession, custody or control that relate to their citizenship status”.

Its going to be awesome when the AG asks the same of Shorten.

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See video in post 182. That beats them all.

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The Attorney-General has also called on the court to order each of the referred politicians to provide “all documents in their possession, custody or control that relate to their citizenship status”.

Its going to be awesome when the AG asks the same of Shorten.
It's going to be no more or no less awesome than it is for other politicians who have to prove they're not dual citizens, and who are in the shite if they are.

The law's the law - you can't chop and change your view of it according to which political party the pollie belongs to.
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It's going to be no more or no less awesome than it is for other politicians who have to prove they're not dual citizens, and who are in the shite if they are.

The law's the law - you can't chop and change your view of it according to which political party the pollie belongs to.
Yep. I just hope its done fairly. Admitting you weren't aware of someone elses laws gets a bit more respect than someone who can't produce proof. Proof should be easier to obtain - after all, at some point, they wrote a letter, and in 2006, that would have been done on a computer and stored somewhere. I am detecting a few porkies.
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Yep. I just hope its done fairly. Admitting you weren't aware of someone elses laws gets a bit more respect than someone who can't produce proof. Proof should be easier to obtain - after all, at some point, they wrote a letter, and in 2006, that would have been done on a computer and stored somewhere. I am detecting a few porkies.
They're all idiots in my book.
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And another National has question marks over them with the retroactive 'mothers count too' for citizenship by descent.

Questions over Christensen citizenship

The question is if they HAVE to register to be caught by S44, or if the very fact that they are entitled means they are within the scope of the S44 'rights' part.
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If they want to be in a position to run a country, and they are aware that there are rules to abide by. Then the very fact that they haven't dotted the i's and crossed the t's and followed those rules adequately should say a fair bit about their ability to run a country.
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Indeed. I wonder if laws passed will be rolled back if they were as a result of Dual Citizen members. Doubt it.
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And another National has question marks over them with the retroactive 'mothers count too' for citizenship by descent.

Questions over Christensen citizenship

The question is if they HAVE to register to be caught by S44, or if the very fact that they are entitled means they are within the scope of the S44 'rights' part.
S.44 won't apply if they're not citizens.
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It seems Stephen O'Donaghue doesn't believe citizenship by decent is an exclusion.

http://www.afr.com/news/coalition-splits-over-demanding-bill-shorten-prove-his-citizenship-20170822-gy20m8

"But obviously the High Court will need to consider what section 44 means, we have very clear advice from the Solicitor-General that citizenship by descent is not something that would disqualify you from sitting in the House of Representatives or the Senate unless, of course, you had taken steps to obtain that citizenship."
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