Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
 

https://newmatilda.com/2017/07/14/br...ship-revealed/

seems that even if you are not aware of being a dual citizen it can debar you from public life. Another Green has just resigned after finding that she is a Canadian citizen, although she lst Canada aged 11 months.

https://newmatilda.com/2017/07/18/br...nship-bungles/

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The story was always that Tony was still a British citizen, and he never provided evidence to disprove it. The greens are falling to factional infighting.

It'd say they should be concentrating more on checking that the MPs weren't corrupt or mentally unstable before they worry about putative second citizenships. At least half of them aren't fit to be there, before you even get to minimum competence levels.

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Julia Gillard had bigger question marks. Penny Wong suspect too.

But I do agree, dual citizenships are not important. Quality of the politician is.

Paying them so little will only attract the bottom of the pile. Alternatively get politicians who don't need the money and wish to do the job without finincial gain.

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Although I get the point that you could have a division of interests holding dual citizenship......as Australia is largely a country of immigrants, Parliament could be missing out on a whole lot of talent as they are excluded from standing under this rule?

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TA very much has provided proof that he is no longer a UK citizen - a fact that doesn't fit in with your BE agenda

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Don't know about Gillard but Wong, unfortunately, is okay

South Australian really has provided some of the worst female politicians this nation has experienced

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Both Ludlam and Waters were terrible and destructive politicians, with hateful, racist and divisive policies and they should have known the rules, but in the case of both of them I think the system is flawed

New Zealand and Canada are not exactly enemies of Australia, so maybe the constitution needs to be changed to reflect this - perhaps open it up to dual citizens of the UK, the old dominions and possibly the US. I would imagine that this would require a referendum though so is a non-starter

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And the counter argument is that if they really want the gig then they should be prepared to renounce their 'foreign' citizenship and commit fully to Australia

I can see both sides of the story though

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Yup - Abbott provided evidence that he had disowned UK citizenship in 1993.


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Hold on. Post #2 didn't say that. Post #2 said that he never provided evidence to disprove it.

Do you mean to say post #2 is fake news?

http://1v1d1e1lmiki1lgcvx32p49h8fe.w...ott-letter.jpg

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Not particularly - Abbott only released that letter last week, so I think it's not unreasonable for people to perhaps not be fully across that development yet. And Abbott is, after all, yesterday's news now.

There's a difference between lack of knowledge and deliberate 'fake news'. Though sometimes it is a very fine line...


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'Oops, I forgot I was born in Canada/New Zealand' is a pretty poor excuse given that both Abbott and Gillard's renunciation of British citizenship has been widely publicised in the past.

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Benefit of the doubt granted :)

He is yesterdays news, but he loves the limelight. I really wish the Libs had the power to piss him off completely. Its just distruptive. I guess only the constituents of Insular Peninsula have the power for that.

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Agreed - Him sniping from the sidelines is not helping the Liberals election chances.

I don't think that Malcolm has long left now though - I am hoping that Julie Bishop can muster the numbers to replace him.


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Yeah, and the key thing is he didn't release it when there were all the questions and freedom of information requests going around. In fact he only got that letter after the Prince Philip knighthood thing was happening and he was already on his way out with knives in his back.

So why is he releasing it now, and not back when their were some big questions floating around? Why unforced now, when there were many calls then.

And if the greens had behaved as Abbott did and ignored the questions, they'd still be sitting in parliament.

Frankly if citizenship is questioned then any MP should need to substantiate their eligibility within weeks - not have it rely on them being trustworthy and telling the truth - since not all are as honest as the greens have been.

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Actually I feel that trunbull is fairly safe. If they roll him then all he needs to do is have him and some of his cronies resign and whoever they try to put in place don't have a majority. Even better, he can form the "real liberals" and vote against the far right wingers controlling the 'libs' and cause an election.

For all he needs them, they need him.

Thus I think it will go on in this shuffling of the deckchairs, doing nothing positive vein for a few years yet.

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The home office takes years to produce these documents.

Tony is learning about the media. Why pop your head above the parapet when there is no need? Now he's taking any opportunity to get media attention. He saved it up for when its needed.

Just like your mate Bill Shorten does.

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I would like to see Mal stay. For the sake of the country, some stability is needed. Let them crack on with the job for a while, without the snipper in the background.

At the moment, the only bad press is TA, everything else looks rosey. That's gotta be a good thing for all, not just a few.

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Actually, no. Confirming something they already have evidence of, particularly when politically key, is something they can do within weeks.

However, there is another wrinkle. To renounce citizenship you need to apply, pay money, and then the government departments that are involved have to go through a process to check that it's in good faith, that there's no pressure, etc. - before they accept that and formerly consider that citizenship renounced. Then you get a ‘declaration of renunciation’ which is the formal paperwork.

However, abbott is pointing to a later letter confirming status, not this ‘declaration of renunciation’. So the suggestion that is being made is that he applied on the date stated in the letter, but that the formal ‘declaration of renunciation’ has a date after he stood in the byelection - and that's why you aren't seeing the actual certificate from him.

Nobody is sure, and Abbott has done his damage already so the point is moot - but to say this was somehow some 43 dimensional chess from Abbott is stretching things to Trumpian proportions - he's demonstrably not that smart.

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I think the letter is pretty clear. 12 October 1993 was when his British Citizenship was renounced.

Abbotts go at seat winning was in 1994 when he won Liberal preselection for the federal Division of Warringah.

I am sure you will find some dirt somewhere if you keep looking.

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Problem with that is he still needed his British Citizenship earlier in 1993. So for the reading of it to be your way around he would need to have started to revoke his UK Citizenship when he still needed it, and when there was no byelection in the offing. Which for someone who didn't bother with Australia Citizenship until he needed it to get the Rhodes scholarship, is more than a bit sus.

This was always the point - the timeline was tight for him to have renounced in time of a snap byelection end Jan 1994 - even with some advance knowledge.

And the time to have checked was back in 1994, before he could go on to do the damage he has.

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What a load of crap. Why do you keep on with this stuff? Its all above board. Evidence is evidence. And there's more than enough evidence his PM ship was fine and dandy.

I bet the reason you have it in for him is because he has big ears or is religious which would be no surprise considering how bigoted left wingers are.

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Maybe because not everyone is as ignorant and naive as you are? After all, you are a trumpet - you have demonstrated you can't deal with evidence.

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You haven't delivered any evidence. Just name called which is what left wingers do when they are on the ropes.

Post 21 you say "sus". Suspect?
"Suspect - To have an idea or impression of the existence, presence, or truth of (something) without certain proof."

Care to continue?

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Your standpoint is ridiculous and nonsensical - TA renounced his UK citizenship in 1993 and was elected to parliament in 1994. No rules broken

So what if he only got his Australian citizenship so that he could become a Rhodes Scholar? We've all do what we've got to do and as long as we do it within the law, who gives a shit. His issue not your's or mine

Australia would have been a better place if he's managed to stay in power (after the hateful, destructive and wasteful socialist Rudd, Gillard, Rudd governments) but unfortunately, too many Australian voters want to believe in fairy tales rather than face reality

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Me to phwoarr I like Julie Bishop :whistle:

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Me too - she should have got the gig last time round

She's intelligent, articulate, approachable (I've met her) - popular too

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I would have preferred her. Happy to run with Mal for a while. Other than TA and BS (isn't that appropriate) snipping in the background, he is doing a good job.

BS is now telling us that on the back of Jeremy Corbyn's rise from 0 out of 10 to 3 out of 10 that he is going to go after rising inequality. (Which its not). Ok BS here's is what you should do. Help everyone by getting those who don't help themselves to help others. Benefit a lot, rather than a few. The scary part is, this sneaky liar will get some support from the me me me's

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You are a sick, sick man ....:ohmy:

That sub-Thatcher clone, with the affected glare at anyone that might disagree with her? The complete lack of a clue or strategic vision. If you want services like that there are places around that will oblige you (for a fee). Thatcher herself should be enough evidence that you don't want someone like that anywhere near power; and she had a brain.

Shudder.:confused_smile:

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Mrs T was a wonderful lady, got me a heads up in life, let me buy my own home and provided me with lots of self employed work. Then Tony the Tosser decided that we all had to be employed by companies and the whole sub contract construction industry went to hell in a handbasket.

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Well said.

Some are still clinging on to the idea that those who do the risk and reward owe them a life.

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Crest
Mrs T has now blazed the trail for you and the others to follow. She is burning in eternal hellfire where she belongs !

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You're a laugh a minute. Do you do children's parties? :lol:

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And another one bites the dust - Resources Minister Matt Canavan resigns from cabinet over dual-citizenship fiasco

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The greens do the decent thing and resign from parliament.

The coalition type just resigns from the cabinet, he's still in parliament.

Double standards much?

Now apparently his mum signed him up for citizenship, but it's not far off where the greens were in not realising that they had dual citizenship - and they resigned.

As I've said before, I'm much less worried about dual citizenship than I am about corruption, stupidity and downright evil b'stards. Let's get them out first.

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If he was a Labour minister you would not have written that. Lets be honest, you are so fake.

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Except that's not how Italian citizenship work. He would have always been an Italian citizen; his mother would have merely registered their births with the Italian consulate. His ignorance is perhaps more understandable than those Greens who were actually born in another country but he is no more eligible to stand for office.

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Hardly a case of double standards. Both greens were born overseas and failed to relinquish their citizenships [via the same method the mad monk is now using to his advantage]
In the latest incident Matt Canavan wasn't born overseas, nor was his mother yet she made an application for them both & didn't tell him. Quite why it would even occur to him that he would need to renounce citizenship of a country he's never been to is a mystery.
It would have been a very interesting phone call from his mum though:
"Ciao figlio, sua madre, ho bisogno di dirti qualcosa"
"What? Who is this?"
"tua madre"
"I think you have the wrong number"
No son! It's me, err you know those two green senators that have dual citizenship.................well err.
"YOU DID WHAT!!!!!!!!"

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It's double standards since the greens left as babes and have never bothered with their birth country since then - but as Brandis says, rules is rules and they aren't eligible to stand.

So, if the lib is actually an italian, rules is rules and he should resign, totally, from parliament. And since he's on the register of 'Italians living abroad', and has been sent voting papers, his protesting that he isn't and 'didn't know' ring hollow.

And then we have the One Nation nutcase Malcolm Roberts, who appears to be a Brit as well. And Barnaby Joyce possibly as well.

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I was just having a look at google - is Barnaby Joyce an NZ citizen by descent?