moneypenny20

Tiddler was at school with a friend of one of the girls. Her opinion, no way on hells earth would she ever intervene in any argument that girl got into. Tiddler's brave but not stupid.

chris955

Girls can be way worse than boys when it comes to violence, the difference is the consequences are usually worse with boys because of their strength.

paulry

Violent women are scarier to deal with

chris955

Yes exactly and far more unpredictable.

bourbon-biscuit

Bystander effect offers some explanation for why ppl don't get involved in this sort of thing (not all). Google Bystander and Kitty Genovese. Doesn't explain it all, but it is interesting to read about and think about how you would cope as a bystander.
If you are in public and something happens to you and you need help - call out to a specific person, e.g. "you there in the red coat, please call the police/ ambulance, etc (not at all saying this is what the man should have done - just worth knowing if you find yourself in similar). Almost all people will help when called on specifically or when they are certain there is need that no one else is meeting. I've talked to my kids about this a few times - it could be really important.
The bystander effect is strongest when the group is largest - so you are more at risk of no one helping if lots of people are around than if just one person is.
Poor man

bourbon-biscuit

Do you have any actual evidence of this (genuine interest)? In the adult population most violence is perpetrated by men and most victims of violence are women. It makes big news when women/ girls are violent. Ditto when women kill their own children - much rarer than men but much more 'newsworthy'.

BadgeIsBack

Self preservation is key ultimately. I can't help but feel I would intervene - but I would be more likely to do this if I felt leading by example would cause others to help and back me up.

It never ceases to amaze how people won't adminster first aid or help - I had to play Doctor the other day - that said - in first aid situations in public you can also have a scenario where 101 people all want 'hands on' and you have 15 people all trying to take a pulse, loosen a sleeve and raise a pair of legs 10 inches...the patient ends up being a 'Resussy Annie'.

moneypenny20

People tend not to administer help even if qualified to because if even the slightest thing went wrong they could be held liable. Sadly you offer any sort of medical assistance without any liability insurance you could be up for a hefty insurance claim. Many people are not prepared to put themselves in that position.

BadgeIsBack

Hmmmm...I would not offer my name..
I forget now whether a first aider is protected by the good Samaritan clause.

I know in theory you probably have to get consent before you lay hands on unless they are unconscious..

In this scenario the young lass asked me to put water on her neck with me hands....

moneypenny20

The mother was a nurse. 30 odd years ago she was told by her union to never offer assistance unless she was in her work place on duty. She still did, occasionally but only very minor stuff. My eldest crashed her car at a decent speed into a tree whilst having a seizure last year. People 'assisted' by getting her out of the car. None of them had a clue about Epilepsy or whether she'd damaged her back or neck in the crash. They meant well and she was ok, but I'd much rather she'd been left in the car until the Ambulance guys rocked up.

cresta57

I do a first aid course every three years with the fire brigade & a resuscitation refresher annually. It's always instilled into us that we will not be sued for trying to save a life [Good Samaritan Protection] Even if chest compressions are necessary & ribs are broken in the process.
I've heard scare stories of people being sued but not read any actual accounts. In fact after a bit of a google I read that there has never been a successful prosecution of a first aider for performing CPR [badly]

moneypenny20

Good to know.

Alfresco

+1

paulry

They have some good common sense laws in this country. For example, recently I've been doing some work relating to child protection and I learnt that when protecting the wellbeing of children, care workers are allowed to share information with other agencies, individuals and entities - provided they are doing so in the best interests of the child.

BadgeIsBack

There's always some wag who insists you can't do chest compression without breaking a rib or two: in much the same way you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs....

I actually wonder if a court would throw out a case...

I'm pretty big on c-spine injuries..and having established they are unconscious I check for wallet and watch.... in our vol fire brigade we maintain air ways but we don't get people out of cars unless the car is on fire...

That sort of thing.