View Poll Results: Brexit the aftermath, did the people of the UK vote correctly ?
Yes
43
40.95%
No
53
50.48%
Not more bloody navel gazing for gawd sakes !!!
9
8.57%
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Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
#93
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
And the great thing is, because of his party's pathetic system of electing candidates, he will remain the leader of the opposition, thereby ensuring that the conservatives will be able to run amok. May will walk it in 2020 if he is still leader
A righter brighter future therefore awaits
A righter brighter future therefore awaits
#94
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
And the great thing is, because of his party's pathetic system of electing candidates, he will remain the leader of the opposition, thereby ensuring that the conservatives will be able to run amok. May will walk it in 2020 if he is still leader
A righter brighter future therefore awaits
A righter brighter future therefore awaits
May is a she. (I know you meant Corbyn)
#95
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Of all the western countries that are drowning in the debts of the cradle to the grave, no responsibility welfare systems that they created, the UK has the best chance of breaking it for good
#96
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
It's funny then how the Party abandoned its election pledge to bring the budget back into surplus by 2020 after Brexit conceding that the austerity required and the revenue raising hoped just won't happen. Still, you dream on.
#97
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
#98
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Repeat - the Tories had an election manifesto to remove the BUDGET deficit by 2020 (i.e. produce budget surpluses by then). After Brexit George Osborne announced that this would no longer be possible. Nothing to do with national debt, % of GDP, Labour, Alistair Darling or Uncle Tom Cobbleigh - the promise to produce budget surpluses abandoned as being no longer achievable.
http://www.primeeconomics.org/articl...os059pp0w7gnpe
"Looking at overall budget deficits (i.e. including public investment) for the period 1970/1 to 2008, for Conservative governments, over this period the average annual overall deficit is 2.9% of GDP, while for Labour governments in the same period, the average overall deficit is 2.6% of GDP. "
As said the evidence (not myths or perceptions) - The current false “truth” endlessly repeated by those who would benefit from its propagation, and by those who should know better, is that Labour governments are fiscally profligate and/or incompetent compared to other parties' governments.
http://www.primeeconomics.org/articl...os059pp0w7gnpe
"Looking at overall budget deficits (i.e. including public investment) for the period 1970/1 to 2008, for Conservative governments, over this period the average annual overall deficit is 2.9% of GDP, while for Labour governments in the same period, the average overall deficit is 2.6% of GDP. "
As said the evidence (not myths or perceptions) - The current false “truth” endlessly repeated by those who would benefit from its propagation, and by those who should know better, is that Labour governments are fiscally profligate and/or incompetent compared to other parties' governments.
Last edited by OzTennis; Jul 13th 2016 at 4:40 pm.
#100
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Joined: Dec 2010
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
And the great thing is, because of his party's pathetic system of electing candidates, he will remain the leader of the opposition, thereby ensuring that the conservatives will be able to run amok. May will walk it in 2020 if he is still leader
A righter brighter future therefore awaits
A righter brighter future therefore awaits
We will miss Dave too. Lets hope Mrs May has the same speaking ability.
The end is truly a worthwhile watch.
#101
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
"Looking at overall budget deficits (i.e. including public investment) for the period 1970/1 to 2008, for Conservative governments, over this period the average annual overall deficit is 2.9% of GDP, while for Labour governments in the same period, the average overall deficit is 2.6% of GDP. "
And even so, you claim that Labour have a lower overall average deficit? You sure you don't moonlight on climate denial ???
Yes, the UK has structural problems, which have not been addressed over near 50 years. Australia also has structural problems. Most of the western world has structural problems. And the main reason for that is the corruption that sent most of the jobs overseas and most of the profits in tax havens and the 1%s pockets - rather than reinvesting in building new capacity and a better world for the citizens of those countries.
Whadda you know, that model doesn't work.
#102
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Geez you are breathtakingly one eyed. The context of the quote was that the evidence suggests the contrary to the bit you selectively picked out and it is a myth held by right wingers. Tory budget deficits = 2.9% of GDP 1970 to 2008; Labour budget deficits = 2.6% of GDP 1970 to 2008 and the worst budget deficits were actually under Margaret Thatcher. Which part of that don't you understand?
#103
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Interesting place to stop your comparison you have there. You don't go in for climate denial in your spare time, do you?
And even so, you claim that Labour have a lower overall average deficit? You sure you don't moonlight on climate denial ???
Yes, the UK has structural problems, which have not been addressed over near 50 years. Australia also has structural problems. Most of the western world has structural problems. And the main reason for that is the corruption that sent most of the jobs overseas and most of the profits in tax havens and the 1%s pockets - rather than reinvesting in building new capacity and a better world for the citizens of those countries.
Whadda you know, that model doesn't work.
And even so, you claim that Labour have a lower overall average deficit? You sure you don't moonlight on climate denial ???
Yes, the UK has structural problems, which have not been addressed over near 50 years. Australia also has structural problems. Most of the western world has structural problems. And the main reason for that is the corruption that sent most of the jobs overseas and most of the profits in tax havens and the 1%s pockets - rather than reinvesting in building new capacity and a better world for the citizens of those countries.
Whadda you know, that model doesn't work.
#104
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Yes I am one eyed but for good reason. When a country has a good economy, we all benefit. Labour governments have a strong tradition of destroying economies.
Last edited by Beoz; Jul 14th 2016 at 8:49 am.
#105
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Interesting place to stop your comparison you have there. You don't go in for climate denial in your spare time, do you?
And even so, you claim that Labour have a lower overall average deficit? You sure you don't moonlight on climate denial ???
Yes, the UK has structural problems, which have not been addressed over near 50 years. Australia also has structural problems. Most of the western world has structural problems. And the main reason for that is the corruption that sent most of the jobs overseas and most of the profits in tax havens and the 1%s pockets - rather than reinvesting in building new capacity and a better world for the citizens of those countries.
Whadda you know, that model doesn't work.
And even so, you claim that Labour have a lower overall average deficit? You sure you don't moonlight on climate denial ???
Yes, the UK has structural problems, which have not been addressed over near 50 years. Australia also has structural problems. Most of the western world has structural problems. And the main reason for that is the corruption that sent most of the jobs overseas and most of the profits in tax havens and the 1%s pockets - rather than reinvesting in building new capacity and a better world for the citizens of those countries.
Whadda you know, that model doesn't work.
As you know the GFC started in 2008 so that's why the figures I quoted stopped then - Labour only had 1 budget after that before they lost power. You don't think a near 40 year period and numerous governments of either party tells a meaningful story? Probably you aren't interested and want to talk about other things.