Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
#1126
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Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
;-)
#1128
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Unlikely to generally be the case.
More likely is that stores will be open longer, with existing staff working longer hours for the same pay. 175% to 150%
So, for instance, if there were 4 wait staff before, on 175% (= 700%), then there's not enough for one extra new person. However you could open 10-3 rather than 10-2 on the Sunday, or ask an existing employee to come in for a hour over lunchtime to help out.
Empirically such cuts in overtime don't tend to result in new jobs, just longer hours for the same money.
Obviously there aren't magically going to be more customers to serve just because the overtime rate has changed.
More likely is that stores will be open longer, with existing staff working longer hours for the same pay. 175% to 150%
So, for instance, if there were 4 wait staff before, on 175% (= 700%), then there's not enough for one extra new person. However you could open 10-3 rather than 10-2 on the Sunday, or ask an existing employee to come in for a hour over lunchtime to help out.
Empirically such cuts in overtime don't tend to result in new jobs, just longer hours for the same money.
Obviously there aren't magically going to be more customers to serve just because the overtime rate has changed.
If her staff work more hours they earn more money - that's how it works in the real world
Even though it is a pretty small place, Kalamunda has quite a few cafes, so lots of competition - although her place is the nicest and busiest (maybe more people, those with no clue, go to the Dome). Maybe she is thinking that if she hires another staff member, although her costs will initially rise, the better level of service will lead to increased sales in the future - aka taking a risk - something that someone like you has no clue about. Maybe she can force one of the other cafes out of business, thereby increasing customers and profits at her place
#1129
Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
Oh this is as lovely a demonstration of hypocrisy as you could wish for
'Our offices are unattended': Don't call peak business groups on the weekend
'Our offices are unattended': Don't call peak business groups on the weekend
#1130
Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
There's a great cafe in Kalamunda run by a lovely woman from Iowa
It's always pretty busy on weekends
I asked her yesterday how the penalty rate cut is going affect here. She said that her costs are going to fall so much on Sundays that she will be able to afford to hire a new staff member - the 4 girls she has working on Sundays are run off their feet at times and another body will enable her to deliver a faster and more efficient service - which should increase sales and profits
Good for her
It's always pretty busy on weekends
I asked her yesterday how the penalty rate cut is going affect here. She said that her costs are going to fall so much on Sundays that she will be able to afford to hire a new staff member - the 4 girls she has working on Sundays are run off their feet at times and another body will enable her to deliver a faster and more efficient service - which should increase sales and profits
Good for her
What it would do is perhaps give someone some experience to enable them to get into a higher paying position eventually.
The reality will be she'll hire another member of staff, however, 2 out of the existing 3 will quit their jobs because they can't afford to make existing payments on their new rate, She'll then hire a couple of inexperienced school leavers who don't know their arse from their elbow but are cheaper than trained staff They'll drop plates and spill coffee's, people will get fed up of the sloppiness & waiting, the new bad name will spread causing less walk- ins. Business will suffer terribly and she'll close up shop putting one and all out of a job.
Asians will quickly open up a tea shop in the same spot and work 20 hrs a day keeping all the jobs within their family and accepting cash only so they can fiddle their tax to minimise/negate any contributions.
Pauline Hanson will whip every bogan Aussie feral into a frenzy demanding they "all go home" Rioters will burn down the whole street causing millions of dollars in damage. Insurance premiums will rocket and everyone will blame Bill Shorten. And all because the poorest workers in our society lost 25% of their Sunday wage so the nation could have a cappuccino on a Sunday
Asians will quickly open up a tea shop in the same spot and work 20 hrs a day keeping all the jobs within their family and accepting cash only so they can fiddle their tax to minimise/negate any contributions.
Pauline Hanson will whip every bogan Aussie feral into a frenzy demanding they "all go home" Rioters will burn down the whole street causing millions of dollars in damage. Insurance premiums will rocket and everyone will blame Bill Shorten. And all because the poorest workers in our society lost 25% of their Sunday wage so the nation could have a cappuccino on a Sunday
#1131
Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
To all those stressing about the cut in Sunday rates - what are the penalty rates in your beloved, 'superior' UK?
#1132
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You have to hope that is true, but If they are only 'run off their feet' for a limited part of the day then it may be unlikely that a new worker is hired and if she does, it may only be for very limited hours.
Except the current 4 workers may fall out of a tax paying bracket by the pay cut depending on how many other hours they are working (or may currently not be paying tax at all), and if the additional worker is only hired for those few hours on a Sunday, they also will not be paying tax unless they have additional work else where.
What it would do is perhaps give someone some experience to enable them to get into a higher paying position eventually.
Probably closer to the truth than we'd all like
Except the current 4 workers may fall out of a tax paying bracket by the pay cut depending on how many other hours they are working (or may currently not be paying tax at all), and if the additional worker is only hired for those few hours on a Sunday, they also will not be paying tax unless they have additional work else where.
What it would do is perhaps give someone some experience to enable them to get into a higher paying position eventually.
Probably closer to the truth than we'd all like
#1133
Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
This is entertaining
Watch SA Premier Jay Weatherill shirtfront Josh Frydenberg over energy policy - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
You can almost see Trunbull/Morrison/Frydenberg and the libs going "uhhh, when did it all become about this new energy stuff and not about coal? how do we catch up?"
Pumped hydro is nice, but it looks like there is no actual money as yet, and no new storage capacity would be created. Seems to be more about rate, and bolting on pumps to shift the water back up the hill.
Watch SA Premier Jay Weatherill shirtfront Josh Frydenberg over energy policy - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
You can almost see Trunbull/Morrison/Frydenberg and the libs going "uhhh, when did it all become about this new energy stuff and not about coal? how do we catch up?"
Pumped hydro is nice, but it looks like there is no actual money as yet, and no new storage capacity would be created. Seems to be more about rate, and bolting on pumps to shift the water back up the hill.
#1134
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Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
This is entertaining
Watch SA Premier Jay Weatherill shirtfront Josh Frydenberg over energy policy - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
You can almost see Trunbull/Morrison/Frydenberg and the libs going "uhhh, when did it all become about this new energy stuff and not about coal? how do we catch up?"
Pumped hydro is nice, but it looks like there is no actual money as yet, and no new storage capacity would be created. Seems to be more about rate, and bolting on pumps to shift the water back up the hill.
Watch SA Premier Jay Weatherill shirtfront Josh Frydenberg over energy policy - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
You can almost see Trunbull/Morrison/Frydenberg and the libs going "uhhh, when did it all become about this new energy stuff and not about coal? how do we catch up?"
Pumped hydro is nice, but it looks like there is no actual money as yet, and no new storage capacity would be created. Seems to be more about rate, and bolting on pumps to shift the water back up the hill.
#1135
Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
Total and utter passengers and waste of space
What a f**king joke
#1136
Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
"Is this a bit awkward?", Mr Frydenberg is asked. "It's about to be," Mr Weatherill whispers.
Now that is a great line - the verbal equivalent of rolling up the sleeves.
It's considered he's won the next election with that slap that he gave federal libs. The coalition is going to have to do a LOT better than a $0.5m feasibility study - the states are on the front foot, and will press home the advantage whilst the coalition is in disarray. Time for Tone to pipe up again?
Last edited by GarryP; Mar 16th 2017 at 12:22 pm.
#1137
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Seriously, nobody is taking that from the 'shirtfronting' that frydenberg got given. Trunbull has taken to lying about the drubbing his minion got, and is once again on the back foot for doing nothing, but claiming much.
Now that is a great line - the verbal equivalent of rolling up the sleeves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkrzw-7Dnok
It's considered he's won the next election with that slap that he gave federal libs. The coalition is going to have to do a LOT better than a $0.5m feasibility study - the states are on the front foot, and will press home the advantage whilst the coalition is in disarray. Time for Tone to pipe up again?
Now that is a great line - the verbal equivalent of rolling up the sleeves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkrzw-7Dnok
It's considered he's won the next election with that slap that he gave federal libs. The coalition is going to have to do a LOT better than a $0.5m feasibility study - the states are on the front foot, and will press home the advantage whilst the coalition is in disarray. Time for Tone to pipe up again?
The SA premier is comical - he looks like an utter clown from over here in NSW - the Premier state - the only state working.
#1138
Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
By the current polls the other " Power " States agree with NSW
SA
A trio of Advertiser-Galaxy polls, 12 months to the March 17 election, show both major parties are bleeding votes to independent Senator Nick Xenophon’s SA Best, but the Liberals have kept the edge in decisive battlegrounds.
Labor’s primary vote has collapsed to record lows of around one-in-four, and Tourism Minister Leon Bignell is facing defeat in the new election “tie-breaker” seat of Mawson, trailing 49-51 per cent.
Victoria
Labor Party faces Victorian election 2018 wipeout: ReachTEL poll
The comments come as a new poll shows Victorian voters are abandoning the crisis-ridden Labor Party in droves.
The poll shows Premier Daniel Andrews’ government would be dumped in a landslide, losing up to 18 seats, if an election were held today.
karma maybe to Dan Andrews who single handedly gave power to Turnbull
Interesting to see if the eastern power market ( NSW ) can keep SA and Vic. supplied once Hazelwood is decommissioned in two weeks.
SA
A trio of Advertiser-Galaxy polls, 12 months to the March 17 election, show both major parties are bleeding votes to independent Senator Nick Xenophon’s SA Best, but the Liberals have kept the edge in decisive battlegrounds.
Labor’s primary vote has collapsed to record lows of around one-in-four, and Tourism Minister Leon Bignell is facing defeat in the new election “tie-breaker” seat of Mawson, trailing 49-51 per cent.
Victoria
Labor Party faces Victorian election 2018 wipeout: ReachTEL poll
The comments come as a new poll shows Victorian voters are abandoning the crisis-ridden Labor Party in droves.
The poll shows Premier Daniel Andrews’ government would be dumped in a landslide, losing up to 18 seats, if an election were held today.
karma maybe to Dan Andrews who single handedly gave power to Turnbull
Interesting to see if the eastern power market ( NSW ) can keep SA and Vic. supplied once Hazelwood is decommissioned in two weeks.
#1139
Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
Victoria
Labor Party faces Victorian election 2018 wipeout: ReachTEL poll
The comments come as a new poll shows Victorian voters are abandoning the crisis-ridden Labor Party in droves.
The poll shows Premier Daniel Andrews’ government would be dumped in a landslide, losing up to 18 seats, if an election were held today.
Labor Party faces Victorian election 2018 wipeout: ReachTEL poll
The comments come as a new poll shows Victorian voters are abandoning the crisis-ridden Labor Party in droves.
The poll shows Premier Daniel Andrews’ government would be dumped in a landslide, losing up to 18 seats, if an election were held today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor...,_2018#Polling
#1140
Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
By the current polls the other " Power " States agree with NSW
SA
A trio of Advertiser-Galaxy polls, 12 months to the March 17 election, show both major parties are bleeding votes to independent Senator Nick Xenophon’s SA Best, but the Liberals have kept the edge in decisive battlegrounds.
Labor’s primary vote has collapsed to record lows of around one-in-four, and Tourism Minister Leon Bignell is facing defeat in the new election “tie-breaker” seat of Mawson, trailing 49-51 per cent.
Victoria
Labor Party faces Victorian election 2018 wipeout: ReachTEL poll
The comments come as a new poll shows Victorian voters are abandoning the crisis-ridden Labor Party in droves.
The poll shows Premier Daniel Andrews’ government would be dumped in a landslide, losing up to 18 seats, if an election were held today.
karma maybe to Dan Andrews who single handedly gave power to Turnbull
Interesting to see if the eastern power market ( NSW ) can keep SA and Vic. supplied once Hazelwood is decommissioned in two weeks.
SA
A trio of Advertiser-Galaxy polls, 12 months to the March 17 election, show both major parties are bleeding votes to independent Senator Nick Xenophon’s SA Best, but the Liberals have kept the edge in decisive battlegrounds.
Labor’s primary vote has collapsed to record lows of around one-in-four, and Tourism Minister Leon Bignell is facing defeat in the new election “tie-breaker” seat of Mawson, trailing 49-51 per cent.
Victoria
Labor Party faces Victorian election 2018 wipeout: ReachTEL poll
The comments come as a new poll shows Victorian voters are abandoning the crisis-ridden Labor Party in droves.
The poll shows Premier Daniel Andrews’ government would be dumped in a landslide, losing up to 18 seats, if an election were held today.
karma maybe to Dan Andrews who single handedly gave power to Turnbull
Interesting to see if the eastern power market ( NSW ) can keep SA and Vic. supplied once Hazelwood is decommissioned in two weeks.