Originally Posted by Beoz

Wow. What a contradiction. In post 817 you said "No the private sector while becoming ever more influential and dictating to government will still remain and toe the line if government implements it."

Then you said .... in bold

Originally Posted by Beoz

I agree with you on Medicare. Dreeeaaammmmer.

I wonder if they would get their superannuation attack on the rich through.

I see you conveniently forgot to mention that.

Originally Posted by GarryP

Oh I doubt they will get the superannuation through either.

See, as I see it the only way Turnbull can get law through is if it's Labor or Greens agreed law. Otherwise it gets killed in the Senate.

But the far right won't like him enacting Labor policies, and will try to demand he not do certain things (eg like superannuation) as well as try to push their policies. They will try to blame him when these fail. They will also try to stop things in the lower house (like plebiscite)

As I say, the list of viable policies that can be turned into laws is pretty short. And funnily enough, they are basically only positive building type policies - not something that's natural LNP.

Originally Posted by Amazulu

If contradiction was an Olympic sport, Herman would be winning the gold medal every time

Originally Posted by GarryP

And now for the fun sweepstake, what can Turnbull actually get passed into law?It's actually difficult to see what he's going to be able to sneak past Labor & the Greens, the Senate, and his own far right of the party. Maybe something in the 'jobs'n'growth' arena - but since he's actually got no policies there to suggest ...

Looks like he maybe able to get electronic voting, Shorten pushed for that in his message to Turnbull.

Originally Posted by the troubadour

No want as most people, not inflicted with the dreaded flawed neo liberal economic ideology, a fair go on all sides.


No the private sector while becoming ever more influential and dictating to government will still remain and toe the line if government implements it.


Take a look at European practices no need to look at communism, but business will be regardless where there is a buck to be made.


It's called responsible government not pure managers of an economy. As for business it hardly remains in the country out of charity. It is here for a reason. If they can outsource to cheaper lands and exploitative work force situations, they most surely will.


As such the dreaded Morrison $48 billion tax cuts wish to business does nothing but further deprive Australians of wealth which will results in further cuts to the vulnerable and generally worsening conditions in the nation.


Business tax cuts are not needed, and less wanted by the majority that have made that clear with recent voting outcomes.


Cuts to corporates does little more than reward foreign shareholders and flow of income to the individual organization.
Trickle down economic thought has been proven to be a dozy.

Originally Posted by cresta57

So in short business is there to make a profit.
If it doesn't it will relocate overseas.
We don't need business tax cuts?
Surely business tax cuts are an incentive for business to keep trading in Australia, keeping Australians in work.
Alternatively we could lose them to overseas locations and have no business tax to collect.

Originally Posted by cresta57

So in short business is there to make a profit.
If it doesn't it will relocate overseas.
We don't need business tax cuts?
Surely business tax cuts are an incentive for business to keep trading in Australia, keeping Australians in work.
Alternatively we could lose them to overseas locations and have no business tax to collect.

Originally Posted by knockoff nige

Large corporations never had it so good, why do they need it even better at the expense of the tax payer? They don't need assistance with expansion when they are making record profits year after year. Mining companies can't relocate mines. If they leave Australia, someone will take their place because if there is actually profit to be made, someone will make it. Banks aren't likely to relocate either.

I'm in favour of helping small companies with the cost of doing business but we should not believe we are held to ransom by large corporations. They need consumers, the consumers are here... and paying through the nose already.

But, what we actually need is more money in the hands of the larger population. Right now, too much of the spending in the economy is through personal debt.

Originally Posted by Beoz

That's resentment and media BS messing with your head. You've been sold another dummy by BS (the Bill S variety this time) - bit like Apple did to you.

But on a serious note.

There is more to this than just Aussie banks and mining companies.

There are banks that have a tiny presence in this country because of the cost of doing business. Lets increase their presence, take the jobs they can offer and take both the corporate and employee tax.

What about other large corps outside banking and mining that could be benefiting Australia? What about the vast amount of large tech companies who do very little here because of the high cost of doing business.

We are all missing out on the jobs they can provide and the tax dollars they can bring because of the narrow minded and resentful approach drummed up by the left wing. ......... well hopefully not for long.

Originally Posted by cresta57

Didn't the current speaker chair a cross party committee on the viability of electronic voting last year? It came to the conclusion that, after talking to hackers, the system was unfeasible, unworkable and unaffordable.

Originally Posted by knockoff nige

The cost of doing business doesn't just come down to tax as it's not even that high. Rent is ridiculously high, importation of goods is expensive and slow, exportation is also slow. But let's be honest, you think that there should be a tax cut as well as a cut to penalty rates.

Originally Posted by knockoff nige

You seem to believe that you see the bigger picture but you fail to see the cost to full time employment that would arise from handing over these cuts to corporations.

Originally Posted by knockoff nige

If we want large corporations to create more jobs, we should get something in print to guarantee it. If these corporations are not expanding because of the cost, they should prove it, instead of having the government to do it for them.

Originally Posted by Beoz

Wow. What a contradiction. In post 817 you said "No the private sector while becoming ever more influential and dictating to government will still remain and toe the line if government implements it."

Then you said .... in bold

Originally Posted by Beoz

Correct - I proudly do believe in that.



Really .... and how so? ..... an explanation on this will be good.




Done ..... no problem ......who's got a pen? Isn't that the natural effect of setting up or expanding in Australia?

All too easy.