Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
#1141
Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
That poll is considered to be junk. Which when you look at the trend of previous polls shows up even more clearly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor...,_2018#Polling
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor...,_2018#Polling
As an ex farmer I know you never use back sight for a straight fence.
WA was on the money !
#1142
Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
Elon Musk has turned Australia's energy debate on its head : Renew Economy
A more positive reading of Trunbull and why he rushed to announce the Snowy Hydro stuff. Looks like they think he might be trying to get ahead of the regressive parts of his party - jump to forward looking rather than backward energy policy before they can understand the shift.
Wish him luck, but they are still pushing coal, rather than easing out of it.
A more positive reading of Trunbull and why he rushed to announce the Snowy Hydro stuff. Looks like they think he might be trying to get ahead of the regressive parts of his party - jump to forward looking rather than backward energy policy before they can understand the shift.
Wish him luck, but they are still pushing coal, rather than easing out of it.
#1143
Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
Elon Musk has turned Australia's energy debate on its head : Renew Economy
A more positive reading of Trunbull and why he rushed to announce the Snowy Hydro stuff. Looks like they think he might be trying to get ahead of the regressive parts of his party - jump to forward looking rather than backward energy policy before they can understand the shift.
Wish him luck, but they are still pushing coal, rather than easing out of it.
A more positive reading of Trunbull and why he rushed to announce the Snowy Hydro stuff. Looks like they think he might be trying to get ahead of the regressive parts of his party - jump to forward looking rather than backward energy policy before they can understand the shift.
Wish him luck, but they are still pushing coal, rather than easing out of it.
Whether this Snowy mountain upgrade is the right way to go (I haven't seen the details) is yet to be decided but batteries are not the answer
Hope this helps
#1144
Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
"Base load” power: a myth used to defend the fossil fuel industry : Renew Economy
The potential for renewable energy to provide baseload power in Australia – Parliament of Australia
https://www.skepticalscience.com/ren...load-power.htm
It's not coal vs wind - it's gas vs batteries | Infradebt
For those who understand less about the issue of baseload power and the role of inertia in frequency regulation than they think they do.
Oh, and Centralised to decentralised energy: What does it mean? : Renew Economy for the direction this is heading in.
The potential for renewable energy to provide baseload power in Australia – Parliament of Australia
https://www.skepticalscience.com/ren...load-power.htm
It's not coal vs wind - it's gas vs batteries | Infradebt
For those who understand less about the issue of baseload power and the role of inertia in frequency regulation than they think they do.
Oh, and Centralised to decentralised energy: What does it mean? : Renew Economy for the direction this is heading in.
#1145
Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
"Base load” power: a myth used to defend the fossil fuel industry : Renew Economy
For those who understand less about the issue of baseload power and the role of inertia in frequency regulation than they think they do.
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For those who understand less about the issue of baseload power and the role of inertia in frequency regulation than they think they do.
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The study conducted on behalf of South Australia transmission network operator ElectraNet, and released in December, illustrated a range of scenarios that suggested there was no room for “base load” generation.
And it wasn’t needed. The gaps would be filled by flexible plant such as solar towers, or battery storage, or from gas – as long as it can compete with the new technologies.
Its a pity they didnt take time to read their own study and have the network "gas ready" as it was a bit late to say - oh! we should have thought of that - after the wind hit the fan .
#1146
Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
The Australian Energy Market Operator says that the exit of “base load” coal generation in South Australia should not impact reliability or security of supply. It does mean that supply it is dependent on other factors, including a connector to the main grid, but also a “different way of doing things.” Culture, not technology, is the biggest challenge here.
The study conducted on behalf of South Australia transmission network operator ElectraNet, and released in December, illustrated a range of scenarios that suggested there was no room for “base load” generation.
And it wasn’t needed. The gaps would be filled by flexible plant such as solar towers, or battery storage, or from gas – as long as it can compete with the new technologies.
Its a pity they didnt take time to read their own study and have the network "gas ready" as it was a bit late to say - oh! we should have thought of that - after the wind hit the fan .
The study conducted on behalf of South Australia transmission network operator ElectraNet, and released in December, illustrated a range of scenarios that suggested there was no room for “base load” generation.
And it wasn’t needed. The gaps would be filled by flexible plant such as solar towers, or battery storage, or from gas – as long as it can compete with the new technologies.
Its a pity they didnt take time to read their own study and have the network "gas ready" as it was a bit late to say - oh! we should have thought of that - after the wind hit the fan .
Gas can provide it no question if the plant is built with enough capacity. Solar maybe if a collector is used. Wind no way. Here's a basic fact - you cannot run an aluminium smelter or steel plant from a wind mill
#1147
Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
Hence you get a situation where the market fails - both to build the new capacity, and even to deliver from the existing capacity (Pelican Point didn't provide power during the brownout, because it was more lucrative not to).
And that's why South Australia is taking back control of their state electricity, both building new plant, and being able to instruct generators what to do.
Mr Weatherill hit back at the federal minister, describing the national energy market as broken.
'The reason it's broken is because the obvious policy response is being destroyed by a bunch of right-wingers in the federal parliament who love coal and hate renewables,' he said.
'The reason it's broken is because the obvious policy response is being destroyed by a bunch of right-wingers in the federal parliament who love coal and hate renewables,' he said.
#1148
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And really providing power is a State Government essential , off loading your responsibility to other States and the Commonwealth is tripe (IMO) Jesus even Tas. had generators ready to supply power when there hydro ran out of water when they deliberately ran them out to max. the income.
If a big winter storm hits and all SA wind power is shut down coupled with the decommission of Hazelwood (20% of Vic. Power) .Whose fault is it if SA has another black out.
The whole SA energy set up is a mess ( a mix of highly subsidized carpet bagging wind providers who built the cheapest possible links they could get away with) Decentralizing power when it is 95% used in one spot -Adelaide _ has only created a massive structural problem for the SA Government.
Thats why it has the most expensive power in Australia and seemingly will keep increasing the cost to pay for their "new" policy of taking control.
Having an inept leader Federally and State wise is not helping the tax payer.
And yes even the av. Australian punter will pay for SA stuff ups as SA is the most subsidized State in Australia
#1149
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SA own study said < Culture, not technology, is the biggest challenge here.>
And really providing power is a State Government essential , off loading your responsibility to other States and the Commonwealth is tripe (IMO) Jesus even Tas. had generators ready to supply power when there hydro ran out of water when they deliberately ran them out to max. the income.
And really providing power is a State Government essential , off loading your responsibility to other States and the Commonwealth is tripe (IMO) Jesus even Tas. had generators ready to supply power when there hydro ran out of water when they deliberately ran them out to max. the income.
- SA has a need for more power on a hot day, and because of the 'market' mechanisms the price spikes to the maximum allowed $10,000 level.
- The Pelican Point power station has one generator working, and one offline. If they startup the second generator the rate they get for the power, because of the market mechanisms, drops to $300.
- So they keep it run down, because to start it means less profit (shades of Enron).
- SA can't force them to start, the only ones that can are at the national level, and that would mean guaranteeing higher rates and covering startup costs, and they don't want to do that for SA.
- SA suffers power blackouts as a result, because PP isn't forced to startup the second generator until it's too late to avoid blackouts.
The reality is this is a federal issue, and the result of forcing a 'market led' approach that actually creates the problem via perverse incentives - whilst not doing the forward facing work they should have been on moving to a structure that works for a renewable heavy grid. SA has generation capacity, but levers of control have been outside their domain. They've now announced that they are taking back control, at least in part - and THAT is why the coalition are screaming and rushing to suggest that they have it in hand. They don't want Victoria doing the same (which they might) and forming a chain reaction where federal gets locked out (they want that coal cash remember).
#1150
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Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
I blame the Greens and Labor for having a dark ages view of Nuclear energy.
#1152
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#1153
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That may be the case in your industry but in mine (HV power, mining, O&G) it certainly isn't. H&S is implemented and monitored to the nth degree - so much so that it is now significantly affecting productivity
#1154
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I went to a mine in WA a few years back to do some work. Inside the cordon was H&S insane. There was 2 office blocks next to each other with a 3 metre gap between the buildings. To get from one block to another you had to walk in the open air for 3 metres and it was compulsory to wear the eye protectors for that 3 step walk. We were no where near any industrial activity.
#1155
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Left wing hypocrisy. Its all falling apart.
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