Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
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But that starts with 'western socialists by their very nature, hate their country'. If there was a Labour government in power in the UK or Australia and the Conservatives/Liberal Coalition campaigned to win power at an election you'd also say the right wing hate their country? i.e. if someone has different values to you they don't automatically 'hate their country' (except in your mind perhaps). Hope that helps.
Shorten, Corbyn, Blair, Brown, Gillard, Rudd, Wilson, Hollande, Zuma, Trudeau all fit the bill
It is very difficult to be a socialist and a patriot. It happens sometimes but is very rare
Nature of the beast
#17
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You can repeat this ad infinitum, it still makes little or no sense to anyone else.
#18
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When asked to explain why they 'hate the west' you reply always have, always will and it is very difficult to be a socialist and a patriot which are both pure figments of your own imagination.
#20
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Everyone's a winner
PS So true I even posted it twice!
#21
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But that starts with 'western socialists by their very nature, hate their country'. If there was a Labour government in power in the UK or Australia and the Conservatives/Liberal Coalition campaigned to win power at an election you'd also say the right wing hate their country? i.e. if someone has different values to you they don't automatically 'hate their country' (except in your mind perhaps). Hope that helps.
I guess an emigrant might be a good pointer?
Otherwise it would be someone who placed something else above their country, surely? Connected with traitors, they would need to chase after something else.
So, a religious zealot who looked to rome for instructions could be said to potentially hate their country. Similarly someone who placed money above their country would happily sell it out for more gold.
And if the country is the people, someone who placed money over people would hate their country, surely?
I think you can see where I'm going with that logical progression....
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The most advanced countries in the world currently are all socialist....Democratic Socialist that is... and that's your Scandinavians. Call a Dane a Swede and vice versa and you'll find out how much they love their individual countries. If anything Australia is aspring to become as forward thinking as them... It's on the right track.
As for independant thinking and a sense of self re the union movement, look up the Eureka Stockade, which is the birth place of unionism in Australia..in Victoria of course.
That's what this flag is all about... As seen above all CFMEU sites across the country.
Not sure this will help as you cant help those with closed minds. But I've tried.
The spirit of Eureka will win this election for the workers.
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Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
The most advanced countries in the world currently are all socialist....Democratic Socialist that is... and that's your Scandinavians. Call a Dane a Swede and vice versa and you'll find out how much they love their individual countries. If anything Australia is aspring to become as forward thinking as them... It's on the right track.
As for independant thinking and a sense of self re the union movement, look up the Eureka Stockade, which is the birth place of unionism in Australia..in Victoria of course.
That's what this flag is all about... As seen above all CFMEU sites across the country.
http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/im...0534749246.jpg
Not sure this will help as you cant help those with closed minds. But I've tried.
The spirit of Eureka will win this election for the workers.
As for independant thinking and a sense of self re the union movement, look up the Eureka Stockade, which is the birth place of unionism in Australia..in Victoria of course.
That's what this flag is all about... As seen above all CFMEU sites across the country.
http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/im...0534749246.jpg
Not sure this will help as you cant help those with closed minds. But I've tried.
The spirit of Eureka will win this election for the workers.
The Abbott backed long maternity leave was a bit Scandinavian don't you think? Rather than pressuring well earning, high tax paying women back into the workforce before they are ready, most women don't last, or they take a mediocre position to juggle work and child. But your mates in the ALP killed that off.
Minimum wage, the unions in Scandy sort that out, but there's no need for it here any more. The government have the highest minimum in the world under control.
Workers rights - under control and governed by your governmemt.
So really Ozzie, by hanging onto this Australian union thing you are just asking the union to keep the government in check, rather than asking your union to proactively do stuff.
See the difference? You are flogging a dying horse, an old model, if they don't re-invent they will die.
By voting labour you are asking for a dying union mediocrity - not much to offer there. You are better of throwing your weight behind the greens if you like the social democrate thing.
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Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
The most advanced countries in the world currently are all socialist....Democratic Socialist that is... and that's your Scandinavians. Call a Dane a Swede and vice versa and you'll find out how much they love their individual countries. If anything Australia is aspring to become as forward thinking as them... It's on the right track.
As for independant thinking and a sense of self re the union movement, look up the Eureka Stockade, which is the birth place of unionism in Australia..in Victoria of course.
That's what this flag is all about... As seen above all CFMEU sites across the country.
http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/im...0534749246.jpg
Not sure this will help as you cant help those with closed minds. But I've tried.
The spirit of Eureka will win this election for the workers.
As for independant thinking and a sense of self re the union movement, look up the Eureka Stockade, which is the birth place of unionism in Australia..in Victoria of course.
That's what this flag is all about... As seen above all CFMEU sites across the country.
http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/im...0534749246.jpg
Not sure this will help as you cant help those with closed minds. But I've tried.
The spirit of Eureka will win this election for the workers.
The Eureka flag comes from a time when there was genuine social injustice in Australia - a time long gone. The CFMEU has hijacked the flag for its own ends - ends that are basically criminal
We are never going to agree on this but if you think that Australia is ready for the CFMEU to rule Australia through its proxy, Bill Shorten, then I think that you are deluding yourself. Yes, the CFMEU owns the Victorian government (and to a lesser extent, Qld's) but in NSW and WA they do not. The vast majority of people know that the current union movement destroys jobs and wealth and I reckon they would not be happy with them controlling the country. Turnbull's got this one
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Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
Australia is wealthier and healthier than all Scandy countries apart from Norway (our only peer in Europe). They have levels of taxation that most Australians of all political persuasions would find unacceptable - the Scandy mindset is very different from the individualist outlook of Anglo-celtic countries - their people accept levels of government control in their lives that many here would not be happy with. But ultimately what are you railing against? We have the highest minimum wage in the world, our workers are pampered and have extensive legal protection, more than half of workers take more out of the taxation system than they put in and the same amount rely on governments for all or the majority of their income. Unions cause unnecessary unemployment but offer a great gig if you can get in on the gravy train. By all international standards, Australia is one of the fairest, wealthiest countries on the planet
But I agree with you, from poor to wealthy, Australia has probably one of the giving systems in the world.
Which is why I cannot understand why anyone in their right mind would want to hand over government to a dying party who's only real agenda is unionism ...... today we simply do not need it.
This is going to go the way of the UK election, and I suspect the Greens are going to pick up a fair share of the Labour ashes.
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http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/election-2016-labors-looming-electoral-threat-from-young-people-in-one-chart-20160421-gobrv4.html
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Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
Ah the me me me rises its ugly head.
You can either sit on the bench and do nothing or deal with the issues. I rather a government that deals with the issues. If its to their fall down then so be it.
You already have your rights in place. Same as every other worker in the country. Why are you so special?
You can either sit on the bench and do nothing or deal with the issues. I rather a government that deals with the issues. If its to their fall down then so be it.
You already have your rights in place. Same as every other worker in the country. Why are you so special?
A government that rules for all in other words and not a few.
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Sweden's unions are a little different to yours. They role with the times, activity encourage free trade and globalisation. They even support unemployment insurance. Their philosophy works with government, rather than against. People want to join as opposed to here where the union bullies you to join with little in it for your annual fee.
The Abbott backed long maternity leave was a bit Scandinavian don't you think? Rather than pressuring well earning, high tax paying women back into the workforce before they are ready, most women don't last, or they take a mediocre position to juggle work and child. But your mates in the ALP killed that off.
Minimum wage, the unions in Scandy sort that out, but there's no need for it here any more. The government have the highest minimum in the world under control.
Workers rights - under control and governed by your governmemt.
So really Ozzie, by hanging onto this Australian union thing you are just asking the union to keep the government in check, rather than asking your union to proactively do stuff.
See the difference? You are flogging a dying horse, an old model, if they don't re-invent they will die.
By voting labour you are asking for a dying union mediocrity - not much to offer there. You are better of throwing your weight behind the greens if you like the social democrate thing.
The Abbott backed long maternity leave was a bit Scandinavian don't you think? Rather than pressuring well earning, high tax paying women back into the workforce before they are ready, most women don't last, or they take a mediocre position to juggle work and child. But your mates in the ALP killed that off.
Minimum wage, the unions in Scandy sort that out, but there's no need for it here any more. The government have the highest minimum in the world under control.
Workers rights - under control and governed by your governmemt.
So really Ozzie, by hanging onto this Australian union thing you are just asking the union to keep the government in check, rather than asking your union to proactively do stuff.
See the difference? You are flogging a dying horse, an old model, if they don't re-invent they will die.
By voting labour you are asking for a dying union mediocrity - not much to offer there. You are better of throwing your weight behind the greens if you like the social democrate thing.
Without the unions and umpires (both have limitations) in position to at least oversee that legal requirements are conducted by employers in treatment of their employees we'd likely on the evidence witnessed over recent years, be living in a even nastier work place environment with an excessive numbers of psychopaths in positions to cause damage riding rough shot over peoples lives.