GarryP

What characteristics would you say mark out an estate or neighbourhood as being "boganish" ? What would a bogan house look like? Or a bogan car?

And why exactly do bogans sit in their garages with the door open, drinking ?

moneypenny20

Don't know. Don't know. Don't know. Why not? I've got a neighbour up the road who regularly sits in her garage watching the world go by. It used to be her and her husband but he died. Sadly she still has his chair beside her. No idea if she's bogan or not. It's a way of watching the world whilst chatting and drinking with mates and staying out of whatever the weather's doing. Used to do it a lot in the UK, be out the front because we couldn't be arsed to all go round the back.

Amazulu

Family across the road, 2 doors up are pretty boganish. They are lovely people with very nice, polite children

Never take someone on their appearance

Towards the bottom of (kind of busy) Kalamunda Road, a household has built a very nice, covered patio at the front of their house Why? Do they like to sit there in the evening watching the cars go by?

Bizarre

GarryP

We were discussing what would mark out a family or place as 'bogan', and sitting in the garage drinking beer came up as one behaviour that shouted bogan.

The suggestions were either that they were being friendly and advertising that they were 'open for socialising' to friends; or that because the McMansion was built to the extremities of the plot, it was the biggest covered area they had that was 'outside'. Either way, it was determined as being particularly 'boganish' behaviour and I wondered what others would also say marked out a house or estate?

Beoz

Probably because there are no pubs in those McMansion housing estates.

Time to move Garry

BadgeIsBack

Beat me to it. New estates = bogans or at best, a cookie cutter life.

Aussie equivalent to net curtains and English 3bed semi.

Kim67

CUBS live in nice new estates with a fancy new Holden Ute but this describes perfectly the choices of a real true blue bogan (I know I've posted it a hundred times before, but I'm sure you can never get too much of this song ).

spouse of scouse

Dunno, I don't do labels.

Beoz

The characteristics of what a bogan neighbourhood may look like are pretty clear.

The question is what makes them like this and why are people drawn to those neighbourhoods.

Lack of walkable amenities is one. There is no village environment, there are no pubs, no cafes, no public transport. People would rather stay tucked in there McMansion or feel there is effort to actually getting out.

Cost. These estates are usually cheap that provide bang for buck. Big houses but cheap. Bogans like material things rather than athestics. Lets get the big ass McMansion but forget what is going on outside the property boundary.

I guess that's why they sit in the garage drinking beer. Its the view. I can see across the road.

I can relate to sitting somewhere in my abode and having a drink. Usually on the balcony, but my view is Sydney harbour. My garage is in the basement. No view from down there unfortunately.

GarryP

I'm not sure if they are, hence the question.

That doesn't sound like the description of a bogan, just the suburbs.

Again, not specifically bogan.

One obvious thing is you don't see many bogan chinese or indians. An estate with lots of asian families isn't likely to be a bogan one. In fact they are mainly multigenerational australia, maybe with some greeks, lebanese thrown in as well.

And most of the newer suburbs will pay particular attention to making sure there's parks and playgrounds etc. for the families. Shops too. What they won't focus on is pubs (or 'hotels') mainly it seems because it will attract the bogans.

moneypenny20

Just so I know when I see one, what is a bogan? What does one look like? I thought they were a type of redneck possibly wearing a wife beater and a mullet. Not someone living in a McMansion drinking with mates in a garage. So confused right now. Have I been looking for the wrong species?

GarryP

I think Beoz is thinking of the CUB - the 'Cashed Up Bogan', much a factor of the resources sector and the Perth property bubble. Obvious read across to the Chav and the focus on high status brands.

You're thinking of old fashioned default bogan as exemplified in the video for the song - mullet, smokes and wifebeater.

But the issue is more what they houses, etc. look like, rather than the bogan themselves.

Beoz

You asked for the following in your first post.

What characteristics would you say mark out an estate or neighbourhood as being "boganish" ?

Depends what you class as a bogan. Bogans have developed into the cashed up variety often with an ethnic appeal. The flannel and mullet has long since died.

I remember looking for a car about 5 years back and I ended up in one of those awful McMansion housing estates in Western Sydney. It was definitely not your white Australian bogan territory. Middle eastern and Mediterranean bogans. The funny haircuts, you know the shave down the sides with the long grassy bits hanging on top, singlets, sports shorts with the Adidas strip down the side, hotted up cars.

The Chinese and Indians haven't had time to create their own Australian bogan element yet. Give it time.

GarryP

Well yes, but you have inner city bogan neighbourhoods, and suburban non-bogan neighbourhoods. I was trying to get a handle on what characteristics of the house/estate would mark it out as bogan - because the type of house doesn't do it.

For instance, lots of old fords and holdens, or souped up UTEs probably means bogans.

Oh, and flags - definite bogan sign I think.

Yeah as I said, you get the greek/lebanese type bogan too. A generation or two of acclimatisation will do that.

And you still get the wifebeater/mullet look as well.

Beoz

Cars on bricks in the front yard is a dead giveaway. How about a satelitte dish? The old Greeks and Italians you to have them for watching football before cable came along.

How about curtains as opposed to blinds or shutters?

Depends where you are I guess. Might be different in Melbourne but in Sydney you rarely get the inner suburbs bogans these days.

In Sydney these days you get the Latte Line. Previously that line was more on a North South slant.



Yes flags ...... in the UK you see a St George cross up in the window, you smell trouble.