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Old Dec 7th 2017, 12:09 am   #76
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Garry, you are overlooking the fact that Australian retailers are "world class".

As they are in all walks of life.

Well, that's what they tell themselves.
Didn't you read the press. Australia is not the US.

Its how the Australian consumer works. Its all in this link.

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Not the best understanding of the market. For instance, much of the reason Amazon tries not to make a profit is it will be taxed. Better to keep feeding the money to growing the business, or adjacent businesses. If you want to go out and spend $13.7bn on a grocery chain, you can get a loan to cover it, and set the payments against tax.

A lot of it seems to be wishful thinking, not borne out by the evidence in other countries. Realistically the story is told by a graph

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/defau...online.jpg.jpg



I do wonder. At some point that might not be true - they have certainly not be backward in putting their name on devices.


Part of my wandering previous post is thinking on what replaces Amazon. And that line of thought was started by realising Amazon is a web company, and web is yesterday's news.
That article echo's many of the thoughts from those who have greater knowledge in retail than yourself.

Dismissing it as "not the best understanding of the market" is foolish at best.

You are still bleating on about cost as the only factor. We all know convenience, speed and user experience kills costs every time, providing the cost difference is minimal. We know bricks and mortar compete on cost, not sure why you refuse the quick and easy google search to prove it for yourself.

Its also ok to say "I got it wrong" sometimes.
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kills costs every time,
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providing the cost difference is minimal.
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Its also ok to say "I got it wrong" sometimes.
Go on, give it a go.
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I have done this with Bing Lee a lot lately on lots of expensive electronics and whitegoods. No problem. They will beat any online retailer to get your business.
I did it with Clive Peeters back when they were a thing, about 7 years ago I think. They happily price matched a $800 camera with an online site out of Hong Kong.
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I did it with Clive Peeters back when they were a thing, about 7 years ago I think. They happily price matched a $800 camera with an online site out of Hong Kong.
Were they also helpful in buying houses for their staff.
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Ahem.



Go on, give it a go.
Is that the best you have. A badly edited quote to suit your own agenda? Isn't that against the rules of BE?
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Is that the best you have. A badly edited quote to suit your own agenda? Isn't that against the rules of BE?
No, not if he hasn't changed any of your words. Weird editing appears to be ok.
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No, not if he hasn't changed any of your words. Weird editing appears to be ok.
Ok just checking. Lets run with weird editing then, and weird it was.
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No, not if he hasn't changed any of your words. Weird editing appears to be ok.
Just pointing out the illogic of saying that cost isn't an issue, and then immediately saying "provided they are the same price".



If cost isn't a major factor, or the major factor, someone should be telling Jetstar, Ryanair, etc.
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Just pointing out the illogic of saying that cost isn't an issue,
That's not what I said.

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and then immediately saying "provided they are the same price".
Nor did I say that.

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If cost isn't a major factor, or the major factor, someone should be telling Jetstar, Ryanair, etc.
Massaging quotes and altering what someone says. Wow.

Jetstar are more often than not in the same ball park as Qantas or Virgin. However they do have that advantage of flying to some locations where the other carriers may not. For example, Qantas don't do Bali and at one point didn't do the Gold Coast.

Same with Ryanair.
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Never heard a AU retailer say they are world-class..infact barely heard an Australian say it outside wanting good outcomes and quality...its a BE myth and people take it literally when it is said and seize on it unnecessarily... World class doesn't necessarily mean 'best in the world': it recognizes qualitive and comparative or competitive..

Beoz is right: price not an issue if it is similar.

Amazon have just blown their experience comparatively speaking..not impressed..but it shows that the model takes time to come up to speed..
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That's not what I said.
I'm not sure you are even sure you understood what you were saying

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Now I never said that cost was the only factor (that was your invention) but I did say that it was the primary factor. It was you that tried to say that it was unimportant, and then screwed it up by having to admit that that was only the case .... if prices were the same.

Which basically admits that different prices overrides other factors most of the time. Which is what we already know from practical experience.

As for Jetstar and Ryanair not prioritising cost over everything else ....

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I'm not sure you are even sure you understood what you were saying
So you really are conceding defeat in the only way you know how.

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Now I never said that cost was the only factor (that was your invention) but I did say that it was the primary factor. It was you that tried to say that it was unimportant, and then screwed it up by having to admit that that was only the case .... if prices were the same.

Which basically admits that different prices overrides other factors most of the time. Which is what we already know from practical experience.
Show the post where I mentioned if prices were the same?

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As for Jetstar and Ryanair not prioritising cost over everything else ....

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PoliteUnfo...nu-max-1mb.gif
And what has the consumer told their competitors. You know like British Airways?

We want to fly with you because you offer a better experience, different flying locations, and after the slug for luggage, and all the other hidden extras, you aint that much more that RyanAir.

And we know this because British Airways are still in business.

Can't wait for China Southern to put the Australia to UK route out of action for all other airlines. (Airlines was your comparison not mine - that was a slip up wasn't it)

Can't wait for Amazon to put all the bricks and mortar stores in Australia out of action.

You getting the drift yet?
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Amazon for the Northern Subs of Melbourne, went via Star Trak couriers yesterday. Either that or it went missing.


Thats despite the manifests of what was on it's way coming to the Posties in the Northern Burbs. About 60 parcels for 20 post codes on the first day.
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Never heard a AU retailer say they are world-class..infact barely heard an Australian say it outside wanting good outcomes and quality...its a BE myth and people take it literally when it is said and seize on it unnecessarily... World class doesn't necessarily mean 'best in the world': it recognizes qualitive and comparative or competitive..

Beoz is right: price not an issue if it is similar.

Amazon have just blown their experience comparatively speaking..not impressed..but it shows that the model takes time to come up to speed..
No they say we are different to the world

Our customers love paying higher prices for sub standard quality.

Customer experience relates to how little we need to pay per transaction.
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