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Old Nov 22nd 2017, 11:10 pm   #31
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Worth noting that Amazon aren't going back to bricks and mortar - they are experimenting with models that plug that 'local' hole in their business model in innovative ways.

For instance, the grocery store that you just walk in, pick up the groceries and walk out (explicitly getting away from than human element beoz). They picked up Whole Foods because of their brand, and the possible margins. The bookstores are mainly at colleges, so a very particular stock set. And then we have the drones...

Pull it together and you can kind of see at the target they are aiming at. Local distribution centres capable of using drones to complete the delivery, accept returns, and act as a brand focus - all with the minimum of people involved and with their online system as core.

Their obvious next assault is on the groceries shop - and this is them gearing up and understanding how they can beat the likes of Coles at their own game.

And all being developed off the cash that would otherwise go to the government in taxes.
Back? When were they ever in "bricks and mortar"? This is new.

They aren't experimenting, they are making money out of it. $1.3B revenue so far with this "experiment" and growing.

So they now have a presence in lots of areas physically, branded around groceries and books. ...... and expanding

The slowest growing area for Amazon is its online shopping. Growth in its cloud service, subscription services, and physical shopping far outstrips its traditional business.

It's interesting, while traditional physical retailers are expanding their digital services, traditional digital retailers are doing the same. They all understand there is a need and a market to bring the physical and digital together.

Even Starbucks are on board.

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Back? When were they ever in "bricks and mortar"? This is new.

They aren't experimenting, they are making money out of it. $1.3B revenue so far with this "experiment" and growing.

So they now have a presence in lots of areas physically, branded around groceries and books. ...... and expanding

The slowest growing area for Amazon is its online shopping. Growth in its cloud service, subscription services, and physical shopping far outstrips its traditional business.

It's interesting, while traditional physical retailers are expanding their digital services, traditional digital retailers are doing the same. They all understand there is a need and a market to bring the physical and digital together.

Even Starbucks are on board. .....
There are at least a couple of orders of magnitude difference - Amazon has bought a chain that perhaps represents probably one store for every 2-3 million people in each state, but the move to on-line retail is closing hundreds of retail locations in every state ever year!
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There are at least a couple of orders of magnitude difference - Amazon has bought a chain that perhaps represents probably one store for every 2-3 million people in each state, but the move to on-line retail is closing hundreds of retail locations in every state ever year!
So what?

That only effects people if its driving unemployment. Now that may be the case in a town where there were 2 main employers. The steel factory and the mall. But its not the case across thr board.

In fact e-commerce has created far more jobs than it has destroyed.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2017/04/03/how-e-commerce-is-raising-pay-and-creating-jobs-around-the-country/#1e5bf4276dff

Happy to continue on the conversation about automation and jobs but there is a thread for that. We run the risk of being accused of destroying a thread with left and right wing banter.
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Latest union viewpoint attachment. It's worth a read, and only available to members as a hard copy. Hence the photo.

The real problem is going to be wages and conditions, thing is you cannot get reliable people to deliver for Amazon at the current courier rates, which are at least 30 more like 40 pct lower than Aus Post pays it's salaried workforce. If they go down the contract path, Amazon will end up with a bad name. If they try and use the core Aus Post workers it will cost them a fortune. Plus the core workforce is already stretched to the limit, working regular 10 to 12 hours a day and now being asked to work 6 days a week.

Amazons real problem will come down to reliable Labour availability. It just isn't there.

As for Sunday Delivery for Amazon specific..... Union says no Triple time could help move that opinion though.

Ask Coles on line, how their wine deliveries are going since they switched from Aus Post to Toll
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Latest union viewpoint attachment. It's worth a read, and only available to members as a hard copy. Hence the photo.

The real problem is going to be wages and conditions, thing is you cannot get reliable people to deliver for Amazon at the current courier rates, which are at least 30 more like 40 pct lower than Aus Post pays it's salaried workforce. If they go down the contract path, Amazon will end up with a bad name. If they try and use the core Aus Post workers it will cost them a fortune. Plus the core workforce is already stretched to the limit, working regular 10 to 12 hours a day and now being asked to work 6 days a week.

Amazons real problem will come down to reliable Labour availability. It just isn't there.

As for Sunday Delivery for Amazon specific..... Union says no Triple time could help move that opinion though.

Ask Coles on line, how their wine deliveries are going since they switched from Aus Post to Toll
Everyone knows Amazon's receipt for success is speed. (Some will peddle cost). Either way they are going to have a tough time with both, and with the retail market now understanding in store experience, click and collect can make product cheaper and quicker for the end consumer, coupled with the issues of unions, vast distances/small population, etc its not going to be easy.

Though Amazon is no mug organisation and have been around for a looooong time with lots of tried and tested markets. No doubt they would have studied the Australian market hard and for a long time.
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Everyone knows Amazon's receipt for success is speed. (Some will peddle cost). Either way they are going to have a tough time with both, and with the retail market now understanding in store experience, click and collect can make product cheaper and quicker for the end consumer, ....
Your analysis is incomplete and your understanding is poor, so not surprisingly, your conclusion is probably wrong.

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Your analysis is incomplete and your understanding is poor, so not surprisingly, your conclusion is probably wrong.

Get coat. Well put up are better argument then. Its easy to shut anyone down who believes its all about saving money, rather than making money.
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Get coat. Well put up are better argument then. Its easy to shut anyone down who believes its all about saving money, rather than making money.
Why is Amazon a success?

Well there are lots of commentator viewpoints. Maybe it is because they are willing to experiment (eg with Bricks and Mortar stores, whether you like it or not).

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/w...7-10?r=US&IR=T

Maybe it's because their core ecosystem is online, and they look to bolster their ecosystem to keep people in the bubble.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/haydnsh.../#6fbffc61385a

Maybe it's cost cutting and profit reinvestment, rather than dividends.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/24/amaz...re-profit.html

Or maybe it's because Amazon are ruthless and cold hearted, particularly with human staff and brand pretensions.

Amazon Is More Ruthless Than Walmart: Here's Why | Time

You want to push some other reason? Citation needed.
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Still no launch. Now talk it will be next week before they finally open the doors. Maybe they found issues with their test soft launch yesterday?

If they don't get their finger out, they are going to become a joke ....
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Still no launch. Now talk it will be next week before they finally open the doors. Maybe they found issues with their test soft launch yesterday?

If they don't get their finger out, they are going to become a joke ....
They are already a joke in local logistics, for thinking/boasting they can offer quick delivery at this time of year.

Fancy launching in December, the busiest time of year, when everyone is already overloaded. If Salaried staff are working 12 hours a day 6 days a week how many hours and days week do you think contractors and their non english speaking family/friends or student subcontractors are working @ 80 cents per parcel or less?

I reckon they've been hit with a massive last-minute dose of reality. Even Post got that wrong, thinking their 1 billion dollar investment would cause mass staff savings. Much to my personal chagrin, I may add.
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Why is Amazon a success?

Well there are lots of commentator viewpoints. Maybe it is because they are willing to experiment (eg with Bricks and Mortar stores, whether you like it or not).

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/w...7-10?r=US&IR=T

Maybe it's because their core ecosystem is online, and they look to bolster their ecosystem to keep people in the bubble.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/haydnsh.../#6fbffc61385a

Maybe it's cost cutting and profit reinvestment, rather than dividends.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/24/amaz...re-profit.html

Or maybe it's because Amazon are ruthless and cold hearted, particularly with human staff and brand pretensions.

Amazon Is More Ruthless Than Walmart: Here's Why | Time

You want to push some other reason? Citation needed.
You have provided nothing here to demonstrate how Amazon save money to make money.

All of it points to spending shit load of money to make even more money.

I think you are fighting a loosing battle on the cost cutting thing.

https://www.snapagency.com/blog/7-reasons-why-amazon-is-so-successful

Execution.

Apparently discounted pricing comes from excellent vendor relationships. Well well. Who would have thought.
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They are already a joke in local logistics, for thinking/boasting they can offer quick delivery at this time of year.

Fancy launching in December, the busiest time of year, when everyone is already overloaded. If Salaried staff are working 12 hours a day 6 days a week how many hours and days week do you think contractors and their non english speaking family/friends or student subcontractors are working @ 80 cents per parcel or less?

I reckon they've been hit with a massive last-minute dose of reality. Even Post got that wrong, thinking their 1 billion dollar investment would cause mass staff savings. Much to my personal chagrin, I may add.
Auspost want to hope they deliver, since failure will be an expensive downfall.

Not only do I expect they have a tight SLA with serious penalty clauses, failure will mean Amazon go all out on their own logistics and fulfillment operation, which will show up the failure that is auspost and hasten their end.

I could say lots of negative things about Amazon, but I sure as hell wouldn't expect them to take aussie failure quietly.

The idea that local logistics could consider them a joke and fail to deliver is like poking a Rottweiler with a stick.
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As for Sunday Delivery for Amazon specific..... Union says no Triple time could help move that opinion though.

Strange in a sort of way that Startrack ( 50% Aust.Post ) have been doing deliveries on Sundays for the last two years.
I,ve had two this month.
I presume they employ sub contractors .
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Strange in a sort of way that Startrack ( 50% Aust.Post ) have been doing deliveries on Sundays for the last two years.
I,ve had two this month.
I presume they employ sub contractors .
They are independent Contracters working for below the minimum wage.... Massively high staff turnover as they all find other employment once their English improves.


Amazon has been doing trial dummy deliveries with core Australia Post whilst I've been on holiday for the past two weeks.
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It looks very like the 'soft launch' of Amazon last Thursday demonstrated some real issues with Amazon Australia, delaying the real launch. Talk is of issues with the web system and it's population, but it could also be an issue with auspost performance.

Still no sign of the real system going live, and it's December tomorrow ...
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