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Old Nov 21st 2017, 12:00 pm   #1
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Just in time for Christmas, Amazon Australia is due to soft launch Thursday, with the full publicity machine on Friday. Time will tell how price competitive they will be, but the US Amazon has been making more available from there to Australia, so if you are looking for keen pricing on Christmas presents.

It'll also be interesting to see how long before Auspost falls over ...
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Just in time for Christmas, Amazon Australia is due to soft launch Thursday, with the full publicity machine on Friday. Time will tell how price competitive they will be, but the US Amazon has been making more available from there to Australia, so if you are looking for keen pricing on Christmas presents.

It'll also be interesting to see how long before Auspost falls over ...

Excellent. Looking forward to Gerry Harvey getting handed his arse...


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Have been waiting for this.
A lot of local rip off merchants are about to play in the real world.

Last night I randomly put "usb flash drive" into the search bar and items are already being listed in the background albeit as unavailable.
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Just in time for Christmas, Amazon Australia is due to soft launch Thursday, with the full publicity machine on Friday. Time will tell how price competitive they will be, but the US Amazon has been making more available from there to Australia, so if you are looking for keen pricing on Christmas presents.

It'll also be interesting to see how long before Auspost falls over ...
If Amazon takes off like it has done in the US, Auspost will get a significant cash injection. Here, across the US, and now even in small towns and rural areas, the USPS makes Sunday deliveries, exclusively of parcels from Amazon because of the delivery deal that Amazon struck with the USPS.
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Sunday deliveries? We don't even get Saturday deliveries here in Aus - you know - the really useful day when people aren't at work...


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..... We don't even get Saturday deliveries here in Aus - you know - the really useful day when people aren't at work. ....
Including, apparently, the post men.
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JB Hifi announce same day and three hour delivery

https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2017/1...-day-delivery/

Having just checked it, it's not working at all (typical online competence) but does at least show they have been shaken up a bit.
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Not really. If I were the type of person to want to buy a GoPro I'd also be the kind of person to research them on Youtube - kinda obviously.

Plus, of course, I wouldn't pay $700 for the latest model from Gerry.

Issue is, like it or not, it's all about cost saving and range. Amazon has a lower cost base, and a wider range. Gerry will, by default, end up with lower sales, but with the same fixed costs.
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Not really. If I were the type of person to want to buy a GoPro I'd also be the kind of person to research them on Youtube - kinda obviously.

Plus, of course, I wouldn't pay $700 for the latest model from Gerry.
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According to Mr Mortimer, speed is the new currency.

https://finance.nine.com.au/2017/11/22/12/49/what-amazons-launch-spells-for-australian-retail

Now that Harvey Norman and Bing Lee are price matching online retailers already, Amazon will need another trick up their sleeve.

Gerry might be a loud mouth, but he is a fighter, and he does learn and adapt.

It shall be an interesting battle.
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..... Gerry might be a loud mouth, but he is a fighter, and he does learn and adapt.

It shall be an interesting battle.
It'll definitely be interesting if the outcome is anything different from what is happening in the US.

Large American retailers think they can "learn and adapt", but Amazon has been eating their lunch for years, and therefore retail locations have been closing at the rate of thousands per year (currently retail locations are closing at a faster rate than they were in "the grate recession of 2008-2010) as traditional retailers try to reduce their cost base to maintain their profitability, because at the moment, as GarryP said, they have a cost base that Amazon doesn't have.

Retailer share prices are being crushed, and it is hard to imagine how a number of major retailers in the electronics, and clothing/department store sectors can survive.
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It'll definitely be interesting if the outcome is anything different from what is happening in the US.

Large American retailers think they can "learn and adapt", but Amazon has been eating their lunch for years, and therefore retail locations have been closing at the rate of thousands per year (currently retail locations are closing at a faster rate than they were in "the grate recession of 2008-2010) as traditional retailers try to reduce their cost base to maintain their profitability, because at the moment, as GarryP said, they have a cost base that Amazon doesn't have.

Retailer share prices are being crushed, and it is hard to imagine how a number of major retailers in the electronics, and clothing/department store sectors can survive.
The ones who have adapted and are offering that point of difference.

Already evident in the US where the big malls are surviving and growing and the smaller malls in smaller towns are dying.

The big malls have deep pockets and know how to create the in mall experience. The small malls don't.

Then again the small malls were getting crushed by the big malls before Amazon arrived anyway. This is just the nail in the coffin.

And its all about Malls.

By the way, those retailers who cut costs to survive never did survive. The retail sector now realises this approach was wrong, and eliminated many people who fulfilled a sales, marketing, distribution, location based role. These are the people who generate business. Thankfully the error is being rectified by the survivors.

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The ones who have adapted and are offering that point of difference.

Already evident in the US where the big malls are surviving and growing and the smaller malls in smaller towns are dying.

The big malls have deep pockets and know how to create the in mall experience. The small malls don't.

Then again the small malls were getting crushed by the big malls before Amazon arrived anyway. This is just the nail in the coffin.

And its all about Malls.
Not really, big malls fail too. And the churn and vacancy rate in malls is rising rapidly too.

For the retailers, even more scary than the decline in customers and sales is that the finance is drying up too, like a game of pass the parcel, banks and investors appear to think that putting new money into declining business isn't going to end well.

For example Sears has been in a death spiral for more than a decade, and is only afloat today because of progressive sales of brands, assets, and real estate because the banks won't lend.

Another example is the high- end, publicly quoted but family controlled department store Nordstrom. Management, i.e. the family that controls it, thought they could overcome issues by buying it back off the NYSE, but then discovered that the banks and other investment funds wouldn't lend the money to buy the company off the stock exchange. Now Nordstrom may also have entered a death spiral of it's own, with no obvious way to reverse the trend.

And it's not just me spouting from the comfort of the sofa at Pulaski Manor - take a read of this article as an example of the many reports on the imploding retail sector in the US. That article was published in April, but there has hardly been a week since then without a retailer announcing the closure many or all locations, going out of business, or bankruptcy.
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Not really, big malls fail too. And the churn and vacancy rate in malls is rising rapidly too.

For the retailers, even more scary than the decline in customers and sales is that the finance is drying up too, like a game of pass the parcel, banks and investors appear to think that putting new money into declining business isn't going to end well.

For example Sears has been in a death spiral for more than a decade, and is only afloat today because of progressive sales of brands, assets, and real estate because the banks won't lend.

Another example is the high- end, publicly quoted but family controlled department store Nordstrom. Management, i.e. the family that controls it, thought they could overcome issues by buying it back off the NYSE, but then discovered that the banks and other investment funds wouldn't lend the money to buy the company off the stock exchange. Now Nordstrom may also have entered a death spiral of it's own, with no obvious way to reverse the trend.

And it's not just me spouting from the comfort of the sofa at Pulaski Manor - take a read of this article as an example of the many reports on the imploding retail sector in the US. That article was published in April, but there has hardly been a week since then without a retailer announcing the closure many or all locations, going out of business, or bankruptcy.
Well you better tell Amazon that. They have bricks and mortar stores popping up all over the place.

I believe your message is bricks and mortar stores are dead. Really? Why would Amazon jump on board if that was really the case?

And why are Amazon doing this? The answer might be surprising, but in the end, retailers who have seen success with bricks and mortar stores separate themselves from the e-commerce competition is through one factor: people.

The power of human interaction, and providing a great customer-service oriented, knowledgeable associate, who can educate a customer on their products. They know that an in-person experience is not something you can get when visiting Amazon online.

I am not hear to argue a black and white case for bricks and mortar retailers. Everyone knows a traditional model is a dead man walking model. But a shift in the traditional yields results - the evidence is already in and Amazon is following.
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Well you better tell Amazon that. They have bricks and mortar stores popping up all over the place.

I believe your message is bricks and mortar stores are dead. Really? Why would Amazon jump on board if that was really the case?

And why are Amazon doing this? The answer might be surprising, but in the end, retailers who have seen success with bricks and mortar stores separate themselves from the e-commerce competition is through one factor: people.

The power of human interaction, and providing a great customer-service oriented, knowledgeable associate, who can educate a customer on their products. They know that an in-person experience is not something you can get when visiting Amazon online.

I am not hear to argue a black and white case for bricks and mortar retailers. Everyone knows a traditional model is a dead man walking model. But a shift in the traditional yields results - the evidence is already in and Amazon is following.
What Amazon has bought is a niche chain of groceries, effectively giving it a network of distribution points for retail food distribution.

For not much more than they paid for Whole Foods they could have bought one of America's largest groceries (Kroger), and more than a couple of thousand large supermarkets, but they didn't, they bought a small niche grocer and paid little more than a rounding error on the Amazon corporation balance sheet for it, which is hardly an overwhelming vote of confidence in brick and mortar retail. And that really isn't "popping up all over the place". ..... I hear they opened a bookshop too, and "may open more"!
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