$29bn for ADSL2+ speeds - Abbott's first boo boo?
Apr 9th 2013, 3:42 am
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$29bn for ADSL2+ speeds - Abbott's first boo boo?
Well the coalition have come out with their great NBN policy alternative, and as expected, it doesn't really make a lot of sense.
Their plan seems to be to buy Telstra's copper network (who must be rubbing hands in glee), bolt lots more RIM exchanges onto it, add in VDSL (which falls off in speed like a bitch), and end up with a network that's going as fast as it can, is only guaranteed to reach ADSL 2 speeds, is built on old, old infrastructure, and costs $29bn for the privilege.
Compared to continuing with the existing fibre approach, which is new, capable of easy expansion to 1Gbit speeds and would cost less to actually run.
Anyone think the stupidity of this will get highlighted by the press? Will they actually understand?
And people claim I'm overly harsh on the quality of australian politics...
http://theconversation.com/a-tale-of...xplained-13304
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Edit: Ho Ho ...
Seems the coalition have assumed they could get their hands on Telstra's copper network for very little. Hands up who thinks Telstra would play nice and pretty in THAT game? So the $29bn is bound to be the lowball, the actual price would be much higher considering that Telstra got $10bn for access to just the conduits under the current NBN plan.
http://lbr.al/yoan
Their plan seems to be to buy Telstra's copper network (who must be rubbing hands in glee), bolt lots more RIM exchanges onto it, add in VDSL (which falls off in speed like a bitch), and end up with a network that's going as fast as it can, is only guaranteed to reach ADSL 2 speeds, is built on old, old infrastructure, and costs $29bn for the privilege.
Compared to continuing with the existing fibre approach, which is new, capable of easy expansion to 1Gbit speeds and would cost less to actually run.
Anyone think the stupidity of this will get highlighted by the press? Will they actually understand?
And people claim I'm overly harsh on the quality of australian politics...
http://theconversation.com/a-tale-of...xplained-13304
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Edit: Ho Ho ...
Seems the coalition have assumed they could get their hands on Telstra's copper network for very little. Hands up who thinks Telstra would play nice and pretty in THAT game? So the $29bn is bound to be the lowball, the actual price would be much higher considering that Telstra got $10bn for access to just the conduits under the current NBN plan.
NBN Co will seek permanent access to Telstra’s copper between premises and concentration points such as pillars, cabinets or exchanges. Telstra has publicly stated the copper has minimal economic value, leading us to anticipate cost-effective access will be attainable.
Last edited by GarryP; Apr 9th 2013 at 3:57 am. Reason: Extra dumbness
Apr 9th 2013, 4:51 am
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Re: $29bn for ADSL2+ speeds - Abbott's first boo boo?
Well the coalition have come out with their great NBN policy alternative, and as expected, it doesn't really make a lot of sense.
Their plan seems to be to buy Telstra's copper network (who must be rubbing hands in glee), bolt lots more RIM exchanges onto it, add in VDSL (which falls off in speed like a bitch), and end up with a network that's going as fast as it can, is only guaranteed to reach ADSL 2 speeds, is built on old, old infrastructure, and costs $29bn for the privilege.
Compared to continuing with the existing fibre approach, which is new, capable of easy expansion to 1Gbit speeds and would cost less to actually run.
Anyone think the stupidity of this will get highlighted by the press? Will they actually understand?
And people claim I'm overly harsh on the quality of australian politics...
http://theconversation.com/a-tale-of...xplained-13304
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Edit: Ho Ho ...
Seems the coalition have assumed they could get their hands on Telstra's copper network for very little. Hands up who thinks Telstra would play nice and pretty in THAT game? So the $29bn is bound to be the lowball, the actual price would be much higher considering that Telstra got $10bn for access to just the conduits under the current NBN plan.
http://lbr.al/yoan
Their plan seems to be to buy Telstra's copper network (who must be rubbing hands in glee), bolt lots more RIM exchanges onto it, add in VDSL (which falls off in speed like a bitch), and end up with a network that's going as fast as it can, is only guaranteed to reach ADSL 2 speeds, is built on old, old infrastructure, and costs $29bn for the privilege.
Compared to continuing with the existing fibre approach, which is new, capable of easy expansion to 1Gbit speeds and would cost less to actually run.
Anyone think the stupidity of this will get highlighted by the press? Will they actually understand?
And people claim I'm overly harsh on the quality of australian politics...
http://theconversation.com/a-tale-of...xplained-13304
----
Edit: Ho Ho ...
Seems the coalition have assumed they could get their hands on Telstra's copper network for very little. Hands up who thinks Telstra would play nice and pretty in THAT game? So the $29bn is bound to be the lowball, the actual price would be much higher considering that Telstra got $10bn for access to just the conduits under the current NBN plan.
http://lbr.al/yoan
The question I have is why are they bothering with cable, either copper or fiber, at all? How about expanding the mobile capabilities - 5G, 6G, 7G, 8G and run all internet through that
Apr 9th 2013, 5:01 am
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Re: $29bn for ADSL2+ speeds - Abbott's first boo boo?
Don't know Garry, but what I do know is my 4G Samsung Galaxy 3 handset is capable of downloading 12 times faster through the airwaves via Optus than my home and office cabled internet connection. Done several checks on speedtest.com.
The question I have is why are they bothering with cable, either copper or fiber, at all? How about expanding the mobile capabilities - 5G, 6G, 7G, 8G and run all internet through that
The question I have is why are they bothering with cable, either copper or fiber, at all? How about expanding the mobile capabilities - 5G, 6G, 7G, 8G and run all internet through that
Apr 9th 2013, 5:13 am
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Re: $29bn for ADSL2+ speeds - Abbott's first boo boo?
I think perhaps Abbott is just hoping that the price tag will appeal to many people who don't know much about it.
What I do know is that the predicted date for NBN around here is 2019.
It strikes me that now that Alice Springs can talk to Darwin, it's congrats all round and the adverts have disappeared off the tele.
What I do know is that the predicted date for NBN around here is 2019.
It strikes me that now that Alice Springs can talk to Darwin, it's congrats all round and the adverts have disappeared off the tele.
Apr 9th 2013, 5:45 am
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Re: $29bn for ADSL2+ speeds - Abbott's first boo boo?
When I was a sparky in SA around 89-90 I was installing FO cable (in a casino actually). We couldn't terminate or join it as, at that time, this was highly specialised and had to be done by an expert
Apr 9th 2013, 6:32 am
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Re: $29bn for ADSL2+ speeds - Abbott's first boo boo?
Don't know Garry, but what I do know is my 4G Samsung Galaxy 3 handset is capable of downloading 12 times faster through the airwaves via Optus than my home and office cabled internet connection. Done several checks on speedtest.com.
The question I have is why are they bothering with cable, either copper or fiber, at all? How about expanding the mobile capabilities - 5G, 6G, 7G, 8G and run all internet through that
The question I have is why are they bothering with cable, either copper or fiber, at all? How about expanding the mobile capabilities - 5G, 6G, 7G, 8G and run all internet through that
Apr 9th 2013, 6:48 am
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Re: $29bn for ADSL2+ speeds - Abbott's first boo boo?
NBN. Meh... Who wants their garden dug up? I don't.
Apr 9th 2013, 10:06 am
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Re: $29bn for ADSL2+ speeds - Abbott's first boo boo?
At the same time fibre will also get quicker. Change the ends and you get even higher speeds. Latency is also much lower making streaming stable and giving larger video conferences with better vision. Wireless is important for remote areas, especially for mining services.
Fibre will lower the cost of running IT as servers can be relocated centrally.
Fibre to the node still uses copper which ages and Telstra copper is bad.
Fibre will lower the cost of running IT as servers can be relocated centrally.
Fibre to the node still uses copper which ages and Telstra copper is bad.
Apr 10th 2013, 8:18 am
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Re: $29bn for ADSL2+ speeds - Abbott's first boo boo?
Fibre to the node still uses copper which ages and Telstra copper is bad.[/QUOTE]
They can use wifi from the node instead of copper. The only part of a fibre optic system that should not need upgrading is the fibre cable. The terminal equipment will still need upgrades.
They can use wifi from the node instead of copper. The only part of a fibre optic system that should not need upgrading is the fibre cable. The terminal equipment will still need upgrades.
Apr 10th 2013, 9:59 am
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Re: $29bn for ADSL2+ speeds - Abbott's first boo boo?
I have issues with the heading. First boo boo? Surely that would have been getting into politics in the first place?