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Old May 17th 2014, 8:04 pm
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I have noticed people are having tough time in finding jobs (IT related) which are really scare at the moment. I am wondering why Australia is still inviting and giving PR to the foreigners.

Anyone with PR will be eligible for social benefits after town years which will further put load on public purse. We are having serious issue with immigration here in UK but cant do any thing due to EU obligations but I wonder why Asutralia is doing this ?

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Old May 17th 2014, 11:23 pm
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I have noticed people are having tough time in finding jobs (IT related) which are really scare at the moment. I am wondering why Australia is still inviting and giving PR to the foreigners.

Anyone with PR will be eligible for social benefits after town years which will further put load on public purse. We are having serious issue with immigration here in UK but cant do any thing due to EU obligations but I wonder why Asutralia is doing this ?

any thoughts ..

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As some IT roles shift to cheap labour this will happen. Other industries are quite boyant. Proabably would take big rises in unemployment across the board for things like this to change.
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Default Re: why Australia giving PR

Originally Posted by centennial
I have noticed people are having tough time in finding jobs (IT related) which are really scare at the moment. I am wondering why Australia is still inviting and giving PR to the foreigners.

Anyone with PR will be eligible for social benefits after town years which will further put load on public purse. We are having serious issue with immigration here in UK but cant do any thing due to EU obligations but I wonder why Asutralia is doing this ?

any thoughts ..

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Australia is VERY specific on who is able to get a PR visa now. They charge a lot, and don't accept all applications.

They invite you to apply, and reserve the right to reject with no refund, if they feel you will not be a valuable addition to the country.
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There is a logical point to this. There are a significant number of people who are given PR based on their qualifications, but it is either a case of little to no jobs on offer or those qualifications are not automatically recognised.

I use to work at a Uni in the School of Optometry and there was a gigantic number of people from countries like India, Brazil and Turkey who were given PR status but the relevant Optometry accreditation organisation would not recognise them.

They couldn't just go back to study a portion of a course to 'catch up' because there are very few Optometry Schools and they are almost as competitive as Medicine to get into. Also they are designed to have a strict progression meaning they can not 'skip' parts of it.

Basically in the end virtually none of these people got in and of the handful who did they ended up spending another 5 years studying full time.

Very few of them were Optometrists again, atleast if they stayed in Australia.
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There is a logical point to this. There are a significant number of people who are given PR based on their qualifications, but it is either a case of little to no jobs on offer or those qualifications are not automatically recognised.

I use to work at a Uni in the School of Optometry and there was a gigantic number of people from countries like India, Brazil and Turkey who were given PR status but the relevant Optometry accreditation organisation would not recognise them.

They couldn't just go back to study a portion of a course to 'catch up' because there are very few Optometry Schools and they are almost as competitive as Medicine to get into. Also they are designed to have a strict progression meaning they can not 'skip' parts of it.

Basically in the end virtually none of these people got in and of the handful who did they ended up spending another 5 years studying full time.

Very few of them were Optometrists again, atleast if they stayed in Australia.
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Originally Posted by centennial
I have noticed people are having tough time in finding jobs (IT related) which are really scare at the moment. I am wondering why Australia is still inviting and giving PR to the foreigners.

Anyone with PR will be eligible for social benefits after town years which will further put load on public purse. We are having serious issue with immigration here in UK but cant do any thing due to EU obligations but I wonder why Asutralia is doing this ?

any thoughts ..

Disclaimer : I am migrant myself .
It's usually one of two reasons:

Once you open up an immigrant stream for a certain occupation it's gets filled fast but they don't close it fast enough.

Workers get visas for jobs in places no one wants to live, then move to the places people do want to live and flood the job market.
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Default Re: why Australia giving PR

Originally Posted by centennial
I have noticed people are having tough time in finding jobs (IT related) which are really scare at the moment. I am wondering why Australia is still inviting and giving PR to the foreigners.

Anyone with PR will be eligible for social benefits after town years which will further put load on public purse. We are having serious issue with immigration here in UK but cant do any thing due to EU obligations but I wonder why Asutralia is doing this ?

any thoughts ..

Disclaimer : I am migrant myself .

Good point.

Another point that I'd like to make is that a lot of people going over to Australia don't always end up doing career-wise what they were supposed to with the Visa they obtained. Which can swing things both ways for the economics of the State.
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Firstly, most likely the rules to social benefits will change in the near future for PRs just like many countries. Secondly, most new prs will start from scratch with low pay or having a job very different from their degrees.
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Secondly, most new prs will start from scratch with low pay or having a job very different from their degrees.
Not sure what this has to do with the question, but what a load of tosh. Every PR I know carried on with their career right where they left off.
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Not sure what this has to do with the question, but what a load of tosh. Every PR I know carried on with their career right where they left off.
Sorry to disagree, but whereas this may be true for all the Ps YOU know, it is not universal. Many people on here have entered the Aussie workforce at a lower level.
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Every PR I know carried on with their career right where they left off.
And I know lots who haven't, me included. For some, it has been a matter of choice, for others it has been because there simply weren't the jobs available in their field of work.
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Many people on here have entered the Aussie workforce at a lower level.
And others on here have entered the Aussie workforce at a higher level
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Not sure what this has to do with the question, but what a load of tosh. Every PR I know carried on with their career right where they left off.
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Sorry to disagree, but whereas this may be true for all the Ps YOU know, it is not universal. Many people on here have entered the Aussie workforce at a lower level.
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And others on here have entered the Aussie workforce at a higher level
There's no one size fits all because there are too many variables involved.

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And I know lots who haven't, me included. For some, it has been a matter of choice, for others it has been because there simply weren't the jobs available in their field of work.
Or their qualifications weren't recognised in Australia so had to take other work, me included.
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Or their qualifications weren't recognised in Australia so had to take other work, me included.
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