Originally Posted by ABCDiamond

A lot of people feel that these people will then get refugee status here very quickly.

They then become entitled to government benefits that even Australian Citizens can't get, let alone bypassing the 2 year wait that those using the normal channels have to wait.


The burning boat theory is based on similar previous events, where they hope to avoid being towed back out of Australian waters.

Although not yet confirmed, and may never be confirmed, it does seem to be a feasible action.

I wonder why they didn't stay in Indonesia, as they had got that far ?

If they were true refugees from their own country, then Indonesia would be better than where they were originally. But obviously not as good as Australia.

Australia takes in a certain number of Refugees each year. These refugees are selected by "I have no idea, but I did look".

Each illegal refugee takes away a place for a genuine refugee. So effectively this is queue jumping, and only harms other, maybe more genuine, refugees.
It has no other real effect on Australians as the total number will stay about the same.

Some people who may have been waiting for urgent hospital admission, and now get told that their case is delayed, may well be unhappy due to circumstances that 'may' be self inflicted.

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede

It is certainly difficult to understand why a refugee would travel through a number of perfectly safe countries in order to reach a specific one.

Originally Posted by sonlymewalter

Excellent post & reasons why no one country can sort out the worlds problems. Idealistically every safe country saves every persecuted person. Realistically no one country can do this which is why there is/should be a system to adhere to.

These people skip the process putting their own lives and others at risk as well as a strain on already limited infrastructure. Allowing them to get away with it encourages more of the same behavior. There's no easy answer

Originally Posted by UncleKev

The whole thing is a complete scam. Young men living in a third world country somehow save up $10,000!!!! How is this done legally, given that they are supposed to be under oppression?

Then having saved up $10,000, they bribe a people smuggler and fly off to Asia and are then put up at hotels until they join a boat for the final leg to Australia. Do they just rock on up to the departure lounge at Kabul airport? How are they able to get smuggled out of their countries where they are under all this oppression. How come its OK to leave their wife(s) and kids behind being oppressed while they sail off around the world, cherry picking the best destinations on the globe. Why dont they settle in Indonesia which is the world's biggest Muslim country?

Here is a new flash. If my wife and kids were in danger, I would not run away and leave them to be raped and oppressed while I wander the globe checking out the country with the most generous social welfare benefits.

I would get my family out of danger and to the nearest safe destination that had a similar culture to the one that I belonged to.

The whole refugee game is a totally illegal business operation that is being used to make fortunes for some and allow others to jump the queue to a better economic life.

I have a lot of sympathy for some of the British readers of this forum who are going through all the correct channels, paying out good money in fees and yet will probably miss out on their dream of coming to Australia because of the economic downturn, but will get to watch in amazement as opportunistic criminals who will never contribute anything to Australia will jump the queue to the good life down under.

Originally Posted by sr71

I do not feel sorry for these criminals at all, in fact I'd be in favour of the Australian Navy blowing the boats up themselves as the are entering Australian waters illegally.

There are plenty of countries these people could go to but they are deliberately coming to countries like Australia and the UK to 'steal' the benefits that are on offer in our soft-touch societies.

They are no different to the other refugees that cross half a dozen safe Western countries to try and sneak into the UK through the channel tunnel.

No doubt some will express horror at my attitude, but these people are deliberate in their criminal actions - not genuine refugees.

Originally Posted by Perth Massive

why should they be treated here? Put em on a boat back to Indonesia or their last port of call. They were willing to run the risk, live by the sword and that.

Originally Posted by the troubadour

Could say the same but a different destination to some of our open minded tolerent and all round compassionate human beings who hail from the United Kingdom who some how washed up upon these shores.

Originally Posted by the troubadour

Putting their lives at risk perhaps goes a small way to explain the desperation they feel festering away in camps in some cases for years others for generations.
The only solution can be a global one.

Originally Posted by bcworld

I don't buy into the idea that the first country where they set foot should always be the one to offer asylum (or imprisonment, whatever is relevant)

Originally Posted by Twiglets

Nope, same topic. I work with young people who have major addictions, serious self harm and unwanted pregnancies purely to escape the realism of their current situation, so you could argue that they deliberately choose this way of life.
They don't need to flee a country but they generally need to flee their fxxxed up families and lives and come into a hospital as a place of safety and refuge - maybe even taking up a bed that may be just as genuinely needed by another patient.
Just as well that most of the people in my profession are not so judgemental as some on here.

Originally Posted by Twiglets

No, I'm not saying it's ok for anyone to be pushed down the queue. I think everyone should be treated equally regardless of circumstances or what their immigration status may be.

Originally Posted by ABCDiamond

Unfortunately there are budget constraints, not unlimited financial resources.

Not everyone can be treated as it is, even without criminals pushing to the front.

There are many people on medical waiting lists all around the country. And some of these will have to be put back further, due to the time and resources being spent on these criminals.

All the doctors and nurses being used for these cases, have had to drop what they were doing, change surgery schedules etc., delay other operations etc...

If it was your son/daughter/mother that had waited for ages for an urgent operation, but was sidelined because because a criminal stuffed up and criminals got hurt, would you be happy ? or would you be like I suggested in my original post and feel that it is a bit unfair ?

Only a Saint would be happy for their innocent relative to be sidelined so a criminal can be looked after in priority.

If we lived in Utopia, with unlimited financial and medical staff resources, and everyone could be treated it may be different, but we don't. We have financial and staff resource restrictions.

Originally Posted by UncleKev

We need to be very careful that we separate out the two main aspects of this thread.

1. There is an increase in boat people coming to Australia since the Labour government relaxed the laws. (The relaxing of the laws may have had nothing to do with the increase, but it is a fact that the numbers have increased since the laws were changed).

2. There are some refugees with horrific injuries that need treatment.

Its important that we dont let the bleeding heart PC brigade hijack the debate about point one by beating us up about point 2.

I will not argue about treatment of the refugees injuries. That has to happen without question.

But we need to be very careful what signals we are sending out to the millions of people that want to leave third world hell holes and start a new life of luxury on social welfare in Australia.

Its only a few boats now, but that is probably what the Aborigines thought when the first fleet sailed into Botany Bay.

Australia needs to make a rational decision about what the demographic and social makeup of the country will be in the future to avoid any repeats of the Cronulla Riots.

Some of the recent violence in Sydney gives us some clues as to what lays in store if we keep binging in people that dont fit into our society.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-r...0328-9eri.html

Originally Posted by lastone

The point of the thread was to illustrate the heartless pricks putting a value on a human life.