Dirk Gently

and as with all true things. They can use it....

I'm more repulsed by the act of blowing up a bus with a hundred people in it.


Dirk

Un-Co

I wasn't disputing the evil of the bombers. Just disgusted that the bigotted idiots of the BNP are twisted enough to use it for their own gain.

spalen

That truly shows what kind of people the BNP are.

I'm still running on my island ticket, compulsory purchase the isle-of-wight and fill it with burberry stores, then run full page adverts in the Sun/Mirror/Sport that burberry and Tommy Hilfigger have opened a massive outlet store in Cowes. Free ferry rides to the island for 2 weeks, plus free holiday at the new butlins for every reader, conditions apply (must be white). Even offer a telephone or SMS , entry so you dont have to be able to read or mark your X on the paper... then sink the ferries in cowes harbor and put up an exclusion zone.

NedKelly

And I suppose that Bush didn't use 9/11 to win his election. Or Putin didn't use Checnya to boost his election votes, or the Left Wing in Spain didn't use the bombings in Madrid to take power by promising to remove troops from Iraq. Are they all twisted too?

Un-Co

Is Bush twisted??? Are you serious???

spalen

Bush & Co are not twisted because they' are not promoting policies that sponsor racism and isolationism.

Anyone who saw the documentary on the BNP - and this backed up by the fact 2 of their leadership are on trial / in gaol, can't possibly defend their views/methods/policies/approach. They are racists out and out , no better than the KKK.

Did Bush run a campaign poster the week of the 9/11 crashes with pictures on it ? I dont think so matey.

NedKelly

O.K. so if a party promotes policies you disagree with then they are twisted. And if you think the documentary was unbiased you need to see who is pulling the TV producers strings.

You must ask yourself why people have such views and why people vote for them. When the BNP get a councillor elected and get more votes than labour does that mean the whole constituency is twisted?

spalen

No its not about policies I disagree with - its with using a picture that is burning white hot in the UK psyche because people are dead, dying, unburied, and are fathers, sisters, brothers, sons, of people reading that website (bbc news) or receiving that newsletter that I find reprehensible.

And yes I did media studies at school too ref your follow the money comment. Nick Griffin has been charged with a crime in the UK - inciting racial hatred - when he gets convicted because there is video evidence of him doing it then tell me that people voting for him arent supporting a criminal ? . No rational person can support the bnp. Them winning a consituency is because there is a balance of racist idiots in the consituency who dont realise that they've just advertised to the majority of sensible educated people in the UK that they are not. They can go 1st class to the isle of wight.

NedKelly

tell me that people voting for him arent supporting a criminal ? . Some criminals like Gerry Adams and McGuinness become MP's. Yassar Arafat was a terrorist and he became a Prime Minister. What about Mandela, he killed people as well. Has Nick Griffin bombed anyone?

No rational person can support the bnp. Well, they get lots of votes so there must be a lot of irrational people out there.

They can go 1st class to the isle of wight.That's democracy for you. Didn't a bear get voted in in Hartlepool?

If you want free speech you have to allow those whose views you dislike to speak as well, otherwise free speech is an illusion.

spalen

There is a difference between Freedom of Speech and Incitement , personally I think Voltaire was wrong with his 'defend to the death the right to say it'. Would you support then the right of the fatwa mosque immams such as Mr finsbury mosque who preaches to his brethren that they should rise up and strike down the infidels...

To compare Arrafat, Mandela, etc to these monkeys is an insult. Just how is Nick Griffin and his legions of un-gcse'd followers suffering repression, torture, daily assault and personal threat for life in an unsafe society ?

NedKelly

As for the Immams, I would execute them for treason against the Crown.

So if I understand you correctly, it's OK to bomb, maim and terrorise people if the followers are suffering repression, torture, etc. etc. You conveniently left out Adams & McGuinness.

spalen

i didnt if u read my earlier posts

renth

Virgins, boring, now give me 74 (+-) 30 or 40 something women who know where it goes and even I'd be looking for sources of Ammonium Nitrate and cheap alarm clocks

bondipom

If only the Blitz and holocaust caused death and destruction on the same scale.

Seabird

I feel there are three separate issues.

Firstly the fact that the bombers were born and bred in the UK, and that their own families are unlikely to know their own children's intentions. The bombers weren't migrants, but how much of the planning has been done purely from UK citizens and how much by contacts overseas I don't know.

Secondly, there is no doubt that Oz is on the "hit list", not the place to go to get away from it... try New Zealand, they don't get involved!!

On the immigration front, many people seem to miss that fact that it is very easy to physically get into the UK as we have a large coastline that is in close proximity to the European mainland, and vast amounts of traffic travelling in and out of the UK every day. That's why it's much easier for Australia to exclude illegal immigrants, it's a flaming long ride from anywhere else. Having said that the terrorists are not immigrants. There have been and always will be wicked people intent on hurting others throughout the world, a sad relfection though it is.

There are many people who have to face the fear of shootings and bombings everyday of their lives through no more fault of their own than it was the poor souls in London. At least we do only get it occasionally. We still have more chance of dying in a road accident, but we still get in our cars. We are still more scared of seeing a spider than we are a gun or a car, and probably still more than if we see some innocent Indian guy on his way to work with his bag!

It's a tragedy for all concerned, but we need to get it in perspective if we're to not let terrorists cause terror and change what we do. I for one cherish what I gain from working in a multi-cultural envirnoment and am prepared to do just that.