Terrorism & personal beliefs???
Mar 11th 2004, 11:20 pm
#31
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Originally posted by ABCDiamond
If only it were possible.
The major current world problem would be Muslim Fanatics. So many of them are taught to welcome their own death in the process of killing non Muslims.
To re-educate them ? Only the Muslim leaders can do that, and when that begins to happen, we may see some light at the end of the tunnel.
You say "the more we educate the WORLD", unfortunately, some people don't want to be educated by someone else, and will fight against it, to the death.
I agree very much with your sentiments, and if everyone was so tolerant, maybe the problem would not exist.
We need a virus invented that breeds tolerance into the brain, and then spread it worldwide
If only it were possible.
The major current world problem would be Muslim Fanatics. So many of them are taught to welcome their own death in the process of killing non Muslims.
To re-educate them ? Only the Muslim leaders can do that, and when that begins to happen, we may see some light at the end of the tunnel.
You say "the more we educate the WORLD", unfortunately, some people don't want to be educated by someone else, and will fight against it, to the death.
I agree very much with your sentiments, and if everyone was so tolerant, maybe the problem would not exist.
We need a virus invented that breeds tolerance into the brain, and then spread it worldwide
Mar 11th 2004, 11:22 pm
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Re: Terrorism & personal beliefs???
Originally posted by wengerboy
exceeded his remit what happened to him i wonder? banged up charged with murder ?any chance of some enlightenment megs though i think i already know (instituitinalised)
exceeded his remit what happened to him i wonder? banged up charged with murder ?any chance of some enlightenment megs though i think i already know (instituitinalised)
Institutionalised in that step were not taken to prevent it happening in the first place. However, that was asking a lot at the time. At that time in central Australia each person had to look after themselves - authority was weak due to distance and difficulty of travel.
Mar 11th 2004, 11:28 pm
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Originally posted by Jack Daws
OK, So what when we come across these fanatics?
Talk to them, explain the errors of there ways?
No, shoot the ****ers. These arent people who respond to the gentle, kissy, strokey thing. Waste em, end of terrorists
OK, So what when we come across these fanatics?
Talk to them, explain the errors of there ways?
No, shoot the ****ers. These arent people who respond to the gentle, kissy, strokey thing. Waste em, end of terrorists
What are the underlying causes of the resentment against the infidels that cause people to rise in arms. The 911 bombers are from an extreme society and system partly held in place by the west which dare not critisize in case the worlds largest supplier of oil goes crackpot.
It our need for a cheap tank of petrol that indirectly fuels terrorism. If you go to Egypt (a regime friendly to the west) you will find it is the extreme islamists who are providing the health care and education to the poor. In return the extremists get their support.
Religion is often the rallying cause but power is often the real reason behind the terror.
Mar 11th 2004, 11:38 pm
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Re: Terrorism & personal beliefs???
Originally posted by Megalania
Good point - the constable was not charged so yes, institutionalised, at least post the fact.
Institutionalised in that step were not taken to prevent it happening in the first place. However, that was asking a lot at the time. At that time in central Australia each person had to look after themselves - authority was weak due to distance and difficulty of travel.
Good point - the constable was not charged so yes, institutionalised, at least post the fact.
Institutionalised in that step were not taken to prevent it happening in the first place. However, that was asking a lot at the time. At that time in central Australia each person had to look after themselves - authority was weak due to distance and difficulty of travel.
Mar 12th 2004, 12:46 am
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Re: Terrorism & personal beliefs???
Originally posted by wengerboy
so basically constables were more likenened to ie a sherriff giving orders in their region to their officers (deputy`s)with the mandate to enforce as they see fit! question more than a point megs
so basically constables were more likenened to ie a sherriff giving orders in their region to their officers (deputy`s)with the mandate to enforce as they see fit! question more than a point megs
Guessing, I'd say that perhaps you could be right that the constable was given a broad remit - akin to a sheriff - and when the incident blew up the authorities could not charge the constable with out implicating themselves through having authorised the constable's broad remit.
An interesting possibility - but no documents to make it clear after 75 years.
Just dug this up:
ABC 7:30 Report 23/09/2003 : Coniston massacre inquiry belies oral history
Liza Dale-Hallett - Great niece of William George Murray - At Brooks Soak, 24 September 2003
I found an 18 part feature in the Alice Springs News: Coniston Massacre by DICK KIMBER
In an archive arranged backwards (18 - 1) so you would have to search for DICK KIMBER. Looks like a gripping story. Thanks for proding me.
Last edited by Megalania; Mar 12th 2004 at 2:05 am.
Mar 12th 2004, 7:00 am
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Originally posted by bondipom
Satisfying yes but that just extenuates the problem exponentially.
What are the underlying causes of the resentment against the infidels that cause people to rise in arms. The 911 bombers are from an extreme society and system partly held in place by the west which dare not critisize in case the worlds largest supplier of oil goes crackpot.
It our need for a cheap tank of petrol that indirectly fuels terrorism. If you go to Egypt (a regime friendly to the west) you will find it is the extreme islamists who are providing the health care and education to the poor. In return the extremists get their support.
Religion is often the rallying cause but power is often the real reason behind the terror.
Satisfying yes but that just extenuates the problem exponentially.
What are the underlying causes of the resentment against the infidels that cause people to rise in arms. The 911 bombers are from an extreme society and system partly held in place by the west which dare not critisize in case the worlds largest supplier of oil goes crackpot.
It our need for a cheap tank of petrol that indirectly fuels terrorism. If you go to Egypt (a regime friendly to the west) you will find it is the extreme islamists who are providing the health care and education to the poor. In return the extremists get their support.
Religion is often the rallying cause but power is often the real reason behind the terror.
Mar 12th 2004, 9:48 am
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Re: Terrorism & personal beliefs???
Originally posted by Megalania
I don't know and the whole incident seems clouded. Perhaps a cover up but just as likely that the region was just too difficult to administer properly at that time. Few roads, telegraphs or telephones, no radio, travel by camel, little water, game for food, hostile locals etc.
Guessing, I'd say that perhaps you could be right that the constable was given a broad remit - akin to a sheriff - and when the incident blew up the authorities could not charge the constable with out implicating themselves through having authorised the constable's broad remit.
An interesting possibility - but no documents to make it clear after 75 years.
Just dug this up:
ABC 7:30 Report 23/09/2003 : Coniston massacre inquiry belies oral history
Liza Dale-Hallett - Great niece of William George Murray - At Brooks Soak, 24 September 2003
I found an 18 part feature in the Alice Springs News: Coniston Massacre by DICK KIMBER
In an archive arranged backwards (18 - 1) so you would have to search for DICK KIMBER. Looks like a gripping story. Thanks for proding me.
I don't know and the whole incident seems clouded. Perhaps a cover up but just as likely that the region was just too difficult to administer properly at that time. Few roads, telegraphs or telephones, no radio, travel by camel, little water, game for food, hostile locals etc.
Guessing, I'd say that perhaps you could be right that the constable was given a broad remit - akin to a sheriff - and when the incident blew up the authorities could not charge the constable with out implicating themselves through having authorised the constable's broad remit.
An interesting possibility - but no documents to make it clear after 75 years.
Just dug this up:
ABC 7:30 Report 23/09/2003 : Coniston massacre inquiry belies oral history
Liza Dale-Hallett - Great niece of William George Murray - At Brooks Soak, 24 September 2003
I found an 18 part feature in the Alice Springs News: Coniston Massacre by DICK KIMBER
In an archive arranged backwards (18 - 1) so you would have to search for DICK KIMBER. Looks like a gripping story. Thanks for proding me.
Mar 12th 2004, 11:15 am
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my opinion....
1. Kill, ban, repress, or exploit an innocent people, culture, language, or religion for the purposes of power & money - Create a terrorist.
2. Terrorists kill for their cause - innocent people die.
3. Kill a terrorist in retribution (or unjustly imprision and torture innocent relatives/friends) - and create a few more terrorists. (see step 1, and repeat ad infinitum.)
Remove step 1 - and you reduce terrorism.
Gross over simplification, but there you go.
In answer to one of the original questions - if Don Brash has his way in NZ, I wouldn't be suprised to see a few Maori terrorists spring up in years to come.
1. Kill, ban, repress, or exploit an innocent people, culture, language, or religion for the purposes of power & money - Create a terrorist.
2. Terrorists kill for their cause - innocent people die.
3. Kill a terrorist in retribution (or unjustly imprision and torture innocent relatives/friends) - and create a few more terrorists. (see step 1, and repeat ad infinitum.)
Remove step 1 - and you reduce terrorism.
Gross over simplification, but there you go.
In answer to one of the original questions - if Don Brash has his way in NZ, I wouldn't be suprised to see a few Maori terrorists spring up in years to come.
Mar 12th 2004, 1:25 pm
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ABCDiamond
"Some Muslims quote that the Koran says it is correct to kill those that don't believe in Allah ! Therefore to do that is not terrorism, but doing their Gods cause !"
I think that we should take this on board there are large sections of the muslim world who allready think that this is a religeous war and that it has allready started.
How long before we wake up?
Bob
"Some Muslims quote that the Koran says it is correct to kill those that don't believe in Allah ! Therefore to do that is not terrorism, but doing their Gods cause !"
I think that we should take this on board there are large sections of the muslim world who allready think that this is a religeous war and that it has allready started.
How long before we wake up?
Bob
Mar 12th 2004, 2:20 pm
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob the Builder
We cannot tar all muslims with the same brush though can we. Many many muslims do NOT agree with these terrorists who are a fanatical minority.
Originally posted by ABCDiamond
"Some Muslims quote that the Koran says it is correct to kill those that don't believe in Allah ! Therefore to do that is not terrorism, but doing their Gods cause !"
I think that we should take this on board there are large sections of the muslim world who allready think that this is a religeous war and that it has allready started.
How long before we wake up?
Bob
"Some Muslims quote that the Koran says it is correct to kill those that don't believe in Allah ! Therefore to do that is not terrorism, but doing their Gods cause !"
I think that we should take this on board there are large sections of the muslim world who allready think that this is a religeous war and that it has allready started.
How long before we wake up?
Bob
Mar 12th 2004, 8:42 pm
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Originally posted by debsy
We cannot tar all muslims with the same brush though can we. Many many muslims do NOT agree with these terrorists who are a fanatical minority.
We cannot tar all muslims with the same brush though can we. Many many muslims do NOT agree with these terrorists who are a fanatical minority.
You cannot label an entire population because of their race or religion. Being a Muslim does not make you a terrorist!!
There's good and bad in all walks of life regardless of race,colour religion........
Mar 12th 2004, 10:53 pm
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Originally posted by debsy
We cannot tar all muslims with the same brush though can we. Many many muslims do NOT agree with these terrorists who are a fanatical minority.
We cannot tar all muslims with the same brush though can we. Many many muslims do NOT agree with these terrorists who are a fanatical minority.
What needs to happen is for this silent majority of Good people, to raise their voices, so that the world can really see, and then maybe that minority will not grow larger.
Mar 13th 2004, 12:06 am
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob the Builder
Some Christians deny Darwins theory of evolution. That doesn't make all Christians backward idiots. The element of islam that is so fanatical that believes terror is right is miniscule but it is prominent.
Originally posted by ABCDiamond
"Some Muslims quote that the Koran says it is correct to kill those that don't believe in Allah ! Therefore to do that is not terrorism, but doing their Gods cause !"
I think that we should take this on board there are large sections of the muslim world who allready think that this is a religeous war and that it has allready started.
How long before we wake up?
Bob
"Some Muslims quote that the Koran says it is correct to kill those that don't believe in Allah ! Therefore to do that is not terrorism, but doing their Gods cause !"
I think that we should take this on board there are large sections of the muslim world who allready think that this is a religeous war and that it has allready started.
How long before we wake up?
Bob
Mar 13th 2004, 5:20 am
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I'm not on about the muslims who have slipped into the country (allthough I'd question where the're loalty lies) but the muslims in the nation of islam ie saudi, pakistan, yemen etc. Who are being indoctrinated in religeos schools to hate the west.
Mar 13th 2004, 10:01 pm
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how do you know this is happening? being taught to hate the west that is?
do you have direct experience of muslim schools?
do you have direct experience of muslim schools?
Originally posted by Bob the Builder
I'm not on about the muslims who have slipped into the country (allthough I'd question where the're loalty lies) but the muslims in the nation of islam ie saudi, pakistan, yemen etc. Who are being indoctrinated in religeos schools to hate the west.
I'm not on about the muslims who have slipped into the country (allthough I'd question where the're loalty lies) but the muslims in the nation of islam ie saudi, pakistan, yemen etc. Who are being indoctrinated in religeos schools to hate the west.