The Sensible Australian Election Thread
Jul 28th 2010, 3:21 am
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That's a failure of common sense. No amount of H&S regulation would have prevented it. Health and safety is noting more than an excuse not to employ common sense. It takes responsibility for ones own actions away.
Jul 28th 2010, 3:26 am
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Re: The Sensible Australian Election Thread
Rubbish, have you ever done a site safety course? I suspect that you haven't.
Jul 28th 2010, 3:34 am
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We can all get run over crossing the road but common sense dictates that we cross the road when it is free of traffic. Or should we all do a H&S course for crossing the road?
For the record, I did H&S in the Police and in the Navy and at the end of the day it all boils down to using a bit of the grey matter.
Jul 28th 2010, 4:01 am
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So are you saying that you have an inability to think for yourself and make the correct safety decisions or are you saying that people are just that stupid that unless they do a site safety course they will not employ common sense?
We can all get run over crossing the road but common sense dictates that we cross the road when it is free of traffic. Or should we all do a H&S course for crossing the road?
For the record, I did H&S in the Police and in the Navy and at the end of the day it all boils down to using a bit of the grey matter.
We can all get run over crossing the road but common sense dictates that we cross the road when it is free of traffic. Or should we all do a H&S course for crossing the road?
For the record, I did H&S in the Police and in the Navy and at the end of the day it all boils down to using a bit of the grey matter.
But you would know this if you have served in the Navy.
Jul 28th 2010, 4:21 am
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Well, no its way more than that and if you have done those courses for the organisations you mention then you would know that. For example in the Navy there are a miriad of safety proceedures that you need to know without thinking about them, its logical and you could work it out with grey matter given time but because you wont have the time to work it out in a real life scenario it is taught and drilled and drilled again.
But you would know this if you have served in the Navy.
But you would know this if you have served in the Navy.
When I was in the Navy the extent of H&S was sit down and watch this video and the most I got out of it was be careful around hawsers because if one of them snaps it will take your leg off or kill you.
Most of the procedural stuff you mention was not under the H&S banner at all but under operational training or seamanship.
Jul 28th 2010, 5:03 am
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Death rates and injury rates were higher. I have seen the stats in other industries. So yes more people died whilst earning money for their family. HSE is normally a body that enable others to use good safety practise. HSE on their own will not keep you safe.
What did they do before occupational health and safety even existed? Everybody must have died... No, that didn't happen.
When I was in the Navy the extent of H&S was sit down and watch this video and the most I got out of it was be careful around hawsers because if one of them snaps it will take your leg off or kill you.
Most of the procedural stuff you mention was not under the H&S banner at all but under operational training or seamanship.
When I was in the Navy the extent of H&S was sit down and watch this video and the most I got out of it was be careful around hawsers because if one of them snaps it will take your leg off or kill you.
Most of the procedural stuff you mention was not under the H&S banner at all but under operational training or seamanship.
Jul 28th 2010, 6:27 am
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That is responsiblity for negligence and knowingly providing an unsafe workplace which happens. Responsiblity for safety is for everyone however if someone dies because someone knowingly fails to do the safe thing then I believe it is criminal as is causing death by dangerous driving.
An employer who does the right thing should have nothing to fear as an empoyee should have the right to go home to their family uninjured and alive.
An employer who does the right thing should have nothing to fear as an empoyee should have the right to go home to their family uninjured and alive.
Jul 28th 2010, 6:49 am
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The people dying from electrocution and tin foil wasn't down to unions or H&S, it was down to greedy buggers trying to do a cheap crap job whilst taking the full amount from the government in order to make a massive profit.
Jul 28th 2010, 8:00 am
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Re: The Sensible Australian Election Thread
Alternative parties to vote for.
http://www.news.com.au/features/fede...-1225897766662
http://www.news.com.au/features/fede...-1225897766662
Founded by South Australian Pentecostal minister Andrew Evans, Family First touts itself as a pro-family party.
It is opposed to gay marriage and gay civil unions as well as abortion, prostitution and pornography.
It also supported the Government's controversial internet-filtering policy.
The Australian Sex Party is at the other end of the political spectrum, supporting gay marriage, euthanasia and abortion. It also wants to remove religion from Australian politics.
It is opposed to gay marriage and gay civil unions as well as abortion, prostitution and pornography.
It also supported the Government's controversial internet-filtering policy.
The Australian Sex Party is at the other end of the political spectrum, supporting gay marriage, euthanasia and abortion. It also wants to remove religion from Australian politics.