Deancm_MKII

The rules don't make it right or just.

MartinLuther

Sure they do. Whining about the rules after the event doesn't make it wrong or unjust.

fish.01

Hard to believe ex nats sided with labor. Is a big vote against Abbott as coalition leader. Those dodgy costings and poor economic ability in the leadership team seem to have really hurt him.

Broad Shoulders

Plus the Coalition are the best at burning bridges. Just look at Wilson Tuckey's latest rant!!!

Deancm_MKII

No they don't. There are good rules and bad rules and generally decided by consensus. It's the same with laws. Just because there is a law doesn't mean it is right.

Somtimes rules need to be changed because they're stupid. Just like the election rules.

This is a philosophical debate.

Deancm_MKII

Well those independents have just blown Labors' costings out of the water...

IvanM

Scarier is the libs wanted to throw more money St them. Financial irresponsibility all round.

IvanM

Neither major party will change the rules as it cements their power once obtained.

Deancm_MKII

That's exactly right.

MartinLuther

But if you want to say the rules are wrong then you should do it before the event not after. The Libs were in power for 11 years up until 3 years ago and did not bother changing the rules. They must have been pretty happy with them up till the point where things didn't go their way.

If some laws are bad it does not mean that all laws are bad. Same with rules. Philosophically or otherwise all systems will have their faults. Complaining about the faults when it affects you but not complaining when they don't is just churlish nonsense.

Philosophically or otherwise, whinging is whinging.

Deancm_MKII

I didn't say the rules are wrong. I said just because there are rules doesn't mean they are right. It doesn't mean they are wrong either. A typical case of reading into something what you want to read rather than what is actually written.

As I said it is a philosphical debate of right vs wrong. Whinging is your projection.

MartinLuther

Why did you say this then?

If you're not saying the rules are wrong why even mention that some rules are good and some are bad? If you're saying the rules are not wrong why are you saying that stupid rules, like the election rules (in your opinion), should be changed?

Whinging is my perception not my projection. And that perception can be backed up with hard evidence.

JoeBloggs80

How can it be a philisophical debate of right vs wrong if you're not saying anything is right or anything is wrong?

Deancm_MKII

Because you mentioned "the rules".

Deancm_MKII

Because some people will view them as right and some people will view them as wrong but that doesn't mean either are right or wrong or both are right and wrong.

What is right and what is wrong? What is good and what is bad?

Confused yet?