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Old Jul 20th 2010, 2:18 pm   #31
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All kids must read the Bible, federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says

BIBLE classes should be compulsory so children have a fundamental understanding of Christianity on leaving school, Tony Abbott says.

"I think everyone should have some familiarity with the great texts that are at the core of our civilisation," said the Federal Opposition leader.

"That includes, most importantly, the Bible.

"I think it would be impossible to have a good general education without at least some serious familiarity with the Bible and with the teachings of Christianity.

"That doesn't mean that people have to be believers."

But former Howard government Islamic advisor Dr Ameer Ali, said Mr Abbott's remarks were "over the top".

"It's one thing to say every child needs a good knowledge of history and geography or science," Dr Ali said.
Strange. There was no mention of Abbott saying that. Oh, right, that was the headline...

Abbott's actually got a point. From a historical perspective it is probably a good idea to have some familiarity of history. Then again, kids can always go and read fairy tales. Whats the difference?
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Its going to be another work choices day for our Tony

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TONY Abbott must break a key election promise on workplace laws to allow the Coalition to declare war on the unions - or backflip on a $25 million savings policy announced yesterday. A major Budget savings plan to cut funding for union ballots and industrial elections, released yesterday as part of the Coalition's workplace policy, appears to require a rewriting of the country's current workplace laws.
It means Mr Abbott must ditch a plank of his first election policy, or break his pledge to not make any changes to the Fair Work Act for the term of the next Parliament if elected.
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Also his handlers are going to allow him to appear on Hey Hey its Saturday! to judge the red faces section (wt heck is that?) Not sure thats a good idea.


And more Australians are interested in Master Chef than the election debates
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The only election campaign debate between Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott has been brought forward by an hour and shortened after the big parties recognised that Australians were more interested in a reality cooking show than who will run the country.
As flagged in the Herald yesterday, the leaders' debate, traditionally a 90-minute affair televised live at 7.30pm on the first Sunday after the writs are issued, has been moved to avoid a clash with the series final of the Ten Network's MasterChef. The debate will begin at 6.30pm and last for an hour.
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Its going to be another work choices day for our Tony

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Also his handlers are going to allow him to appear on Hey Hey its Saturday! to judge the red faces section (wt heck is that?) Not sure thats a good idea.


And more Australians are interested in Master Chef than the election debates
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Has either party actually published any kind of formal manifesto? Or is policy just dribbled out on a daily basis, depending on what is in the news that day?

The whole thing smacks of amateurism to my mind.


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Has either party actually published any kind of formal manifesto? Or is policy just dribbled out on a daily basis, depending on what is in the news that day?

The whole thing smacks of amateurism to my mind.


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I did go to liberal.org.au and there is a policies tab - was looking for the gospel truth on the net filter. So I clicked on infrastructre. Then you get an 'internet filtering' option...sounds promising. But then all you seem to get is a series of several month old soundbites (Q&A sessions) many of which are completely irrelevant to the topic...national curriculum, civil unions etc.

All I could find was this:

QUESTION:

Internet filtering. Alex Hawke I understand is saying that he is one of several Liberals that will vote against any legislation on internet filtering. What is the Opposition’s view on that?

TONY ABBOTT:

Well look, we haven’t seen the legislation okay, and we won’t be seeing it for quite some time. In principle, and this is just a personal view, but in principle I think that it makes sense to try to ensure that we don’t have pornography of the worst kind coming into homes through the internet, coming into homes without appropriate parental supervision and knowledge. So in principle I think that it is fair enough to try to ensure that Australian families are protected from the worst sorts of pornography. But we haven’t seen the legislation. We don’t know just how practical it is going to be and we’ll have a position on this once we see the legislation.


So essentially in the midst of the election campaign all you can get is an 8 month old (scripted?) response. I'm sure the Labor website is just as bad.
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Has either party actually published any kind of formal manifesto? Or is policy just dribbled out on a daily basis, depending on what is in the news that day?

The whole thing smacks of amateurism to my mind.


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No, they will come with the campaign launch... date and location TBA.
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Gillard dodges migrant intake question.

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JULIA Gillard has refused to say whether she plans to cut back the migrant intake in line with her argument for a reassessment of population policy.

Asked on Sydney radio station 2UE today whether this meant she wanted to pare back the nation's immigration intake, Ms Gillard, a Welsh migrant, refused to be drawn.
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“I think that's a question not just about numbers but where they are going,” she said.
Ms Gillard said the issue was not as simple as simply putting up the house full sign in western Sydney.
Instead, it was time for the nation to take pause and ensure communities had proper infrastructure and services and that growth happened where there were adequate services to cope with its impacts.
Business says that it needs more workers but will they be willing to take on a goverment that may well be returned? Guess we'll see.

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TONY ABBOTT:

Well look, we haven’t seen the legislation okay, and we won’t be seeing it for quite some time. In principle, and this is just a personal view, but in principle I think that it makes sense to try to ensure that we don’t have pornography of the worst kind coming into homes through the internet, coming into homes without appropriate parental supervision and knowledge. So in principle I think that it is fair enough to try to ensure that Australian families are protected from the worst sorts of pornography. But we haven’t seen the legislation. We don’t know just how practical it is going to be and we’ll have a position on this once we see the legislation. [/I]

So essentially in the midst of the election campaign all you can get is an 8 month old (scripted?) response. I'm sure the Labor website is just as bad.
If that statement was scripted then god help us when he speaks off the cuff!
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Neither leader wants to say something that loses votes. Policy can lose votes. Its a sad reflection on the media, politics voter relationship.
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Has either party actually published any kind of formal manifesto? Or is policy just dribbled out on a daily basis, depending on what is in the news that day?

The whole thing smacks of amateurism to my mind.


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What are your views on immigration *not* boat people
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Labour will win, never mind the policies, because Tony Abbott has got a hint of madness about him which puts a lot of people off.

But Julia Gillard will continue to have some problems with voters about the way Kevin Rudd was deposed. This issue won't easily go away.

So it may be closer than I think.

I'm voting Green anyway and then below the line for the Senate so that I don't neccessarily follow the tacky preference deals.

The main parties are so disappointing and I had some hope for Julia but she has come to the job too early. I was a Labour voter back in the UK but the ALP just haven't done anything to deserve a vote, IMHO. And the NSW crew make me sick.

It's my first time so I hope I'm understanding how to vote correctly!
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Labour will win, never mind the policies, because Tony Abbott has got a hint of madness about him which puts a lot of people off.

But Julia Gillard will continue to have some problems with voters about the way Kevin Rudd was deposed. This issue won't easily go away.

So it may be closer than I think.

I'm voting Green anyway and then below the line for the Senate so that I don't neccessarily follow the tacky preference deals.

The main parties are so disappointing and I had some hope for Julia but she has come to the job too early. I was a Labour voter back in the UK but the ALP just haven't done anything to deserve a vote, IMHO. And the NSW crew make me sick.

It's my first time so I hope I'm understanding how to vote correctly!

God, I wish I did...

I was initially skeptical about the Greens preference deals, but it looks like they are trading preferences in the lower house for preferences in the Senate, which could leave them with the balance of power in the upper house.

This would work well as a check on Labor and their more more radical ideas - Maybe this was their idea all along - we can't win government, but we can have maximum impact on the policy of those that do. This could be interesting where the Green party policy is in direct opposition to Labor policy - the net filter being a good example.


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But they did in the UK did they?
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Immigration is a key issue but the problem is if you declare for a rise in immigration to combat the rapidly aging population you lose votes. If you dont you are pretty much steering the titanic.

Boat people is far too huge an issue in this election to be ignored chances are if Gillard opened up Nauru in the morning she would win hands down. Very few people ever see a actual boat person. Just noboby likes to be taken for a ride.

I dont believe Abbott will re-introduce work choices so every time Gillard says he will it seems petty.

As for voting everyone should vote, even if the goods on offer are pants at least take the time to pick the best of a bad lot. People like me who dont have a vote depend on it.
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Immigration is a key issue but the problem is if you declare for a rise in immigration to combat the rapidly aging population you lose votes. If you dont you are pretty much steering the titanic.
How can a policy of constantly increasing a countries population be sustainable long term?
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