Deancm_MKII

I actually think Abbott's doing a good job as opposition leader. In the space of 7 months he has turned the Libs around, gotten rid of one PM and could potentially win the election. From a leadership perspective, Abbott is far more capable than Gillard. Abbott has a clear direction. Gillard doesn't, she is floundering all over the place.

spalen

She has been deputizing in the job for 3 years... She didn't suddenly have it forced upon her (as the actress said to the bishop).

perhaps if she turned up to more meetings instead of having her roots done and sending her toy boy bodyguards she'd be in less of a pickle. Actually I retract that, judging by the state of her hair she never went to the hairdressers. *boom boom*

moneypenny20

He didn't get rid of a PM, the labour party did that on their own. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. It appears we live in a democracy whereby people are allowed to have their own beliefs and vote that way.

I really object to someone telling someone else that if they vote a certain way they are fools or morons. No, they're standing by their beliefs, regardless of how the rest of the population rate that belief.

Deancm_MKII

Labor wouldn't have gotten rid of Rudd if Abbott hadn't done such a good job as opposition and destroyed Labors' popularity in the polls.

And you would trust Gillard?

Yes. The problem is when people vote based on the party's colour or as if it's their football team rather than the actual policies.

As you say, it's a democracy and people are free to say what they want, even if that means influencing the way people vote.

Do you want Australia to become like the UK is right now after 13 years of a British Labour govt? If anybody takes a good look at the history of the Labour/Labor party whenever they have been in power a distinct pattern emerges. All Labour/Labor do is come into power, spend, spend and spend, run up a massive national debt and screw up the economy. The country is always far worse of after a Labour govt than before it. This happens every time however people tend to have a short memory and ignore the history.

I would say it is socially responsible to keep Labour out of power.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery" - Winston Churchill

Labour/Labor is a socialist party.

IvanM

Dean you seemed to have missed the point. All of this is your opinion and a strongly held opinion. It does not invalidate other opinions as you have not gone down to proven points of fact. Instead you mock Labour to the point of putting people off your own opinions. Those on the right will stand with you but those wavering such as myself find little of interest that will put me one way or another. Good politicians avoid insulting potential voters by targeting what matters.

The idea Labour is a socialism is long gone. Parties that win fight over the centre ground.

By the way do you trust Abbot's gospel truth? Very few people trust any politician or partisan opinion.

NedKelly

Hang on a mo. Labour/Labor is socialism, it stands for big government, high taxes and union power. They pretend they are centre only to get the votes.

asprilla

I think that over the past 20 or 30 years we've seen socialists and capitalists give quite a bit of ground. Both recognise that they need to meet somewhere in the middle.

Deancm_MKII

When I say "if you vote Labor you are a bloody idiot" I am paraphrpasing a popular drunk driving ad in Victoria issued by the state government.

That's what they want people to believe. Gillard is a member of the Fabian society, So was Hawke and Keating. Every UK Labour PM was a member of the Fabian Society. The Fabian Society's ideaology is gradualist collectivism. In other words socialism by stealth. They come into power with moderate policies and while in power move further and further to the left. You only have to look at what they are planning with the internet filter to see that. Australia is becoming more and more like China everyday.

As a side note, it was the Fabian Society's eugenics ideology that led to Australia's stolen generation.

In my job it is essential to be able to tell when someone is telling the truth and when someone is telling porkies via reading body language, speech tonality etc. and when I watch Abbott and Gillard when they give press conferences I trust Abbott more than Gillard. Abbott is actually too honest for his own good (that doesn't mean he tells the complete truth) however Gillard is highly deceptive and very controlled. I don't trust Gillard at all.

Amazulu

Yes, electing Gillard will be handing over control to her union masters.

ex_exile

In your opinon, your opinon should not be mistaken for fact though.

I think that they both have problems with body language, Abbotts body language in the general does not suggest to me that he is being that truthful Gillards isn't that much better. I don't think that you can be classed as neutral observer though judging from the rest of your posts on this thread.

Me too, there is a clear attempt to bully and belittle people who disagree on issues of conscious, it is BS and should stop.

spalen

The fact that Gillard has just announced that "from now on the script is going in the bin and we're getting the real Julia" is pretty damning.. does that mean she's admitting that she's been giving us BS for the past 2 weeks. There might be some hope for her ,but frankly she should have been honest from the start.

Still doesnt take away from the fact that the "real" gillard was the one who buggered up all those things in the last 3yrs :-)

ex_exile

And the real Tony Abbott gave us workchoices.

NedKelly

One of the best things he did.

Deancm_MKII

Actually it was the Howard govt that gave us workchoices. Abbott actually argued against passing those bills that had been blocked by a centre-left controlled Senate.

Deancm_MKII

Workchoices worked. Unemployment troughed at just 3.9 per cent; wage growth increased; there was record low industrial strife and the laws assisted many Australians to stay connected to the labour market during the GFC, through flexible part time arrangements.