Political Coup in Australia...
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If this early and strong intervention had failed to produce these outcomes the govt would stand condemned today. Given this, to be balanced, they should stand commended for the result.
The truth and lies of who said what to whom during the implementation I'll leave to others as I know little about it....
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The question wasn't about what was said between government departments, it was asking if the deaths and ongoing house fires directly caused by how the home insulation scheme was implemented is simply a "mistake" as you seemed to suggest in your earlier post.
#33
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And to answer whether it was a mistake or something more malicious you would need to know who said what to whom re your comment "knowing about the risk of death from dodgy insulation installations, PMs office telling Garrett that it's ok - which sure enough is followed by a number of deaths".
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And to answer whether it was a mistake or something more malicious you would need to know who said what to whom re your comment "knowing about the risk of death from dodgy insulation installations, PMs office telling Garrett that it's ok - which sure enough is followed by a number of deaths".
The media reports were ongoing for a long time before the scheme was suspended, to return later on (followed a bit later by yet another backflip and the scheme cancelled).
Also my question was simply if the deaths and house fires were simply a mistake by your reasoning - I have not implied any malice, which you know have as the only alternative.
#35
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You don't need to know that - the fact is, it was widely reported in the media. Each death was reported, and linked to the insulation scheme. Ongoing house fires have been reported in the media, and linked to the scheme by the fire agencies. Deaths and housefires were being reported widely in the media during the operation of the scheme - the risk of death was quite clear, yet allowed to continue.
The media reports were ongoing for a long time before the scheme was suspended, to return later on (followed a bit later by yet another backflip and the scheme cancelled).
Also my question was simply if the deaths and house fires were simply a mistake by your reasoning - I have not implied any malice, which you know have as the only alternative.
The media reports were ongoing for a long time before the scheme was suspended, to return later on (followed a bit later by yet another backflip and the scheme cancelled).
Also my question was simply if the deaths and house fires were simply a mistake by your reasoning - I have not implied any malice, which you know have as the only alternative.
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There are plenty of unbiased reports around which state both sides of the argument, after all its a pretty subjective term.
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You don't need to know that - the fact is, it was widely reported in the media. Each death was reported, and linked to the insulation scheme. Ongoing house fires have been reported in the media, and linked to the scheme by the fire agencies. Deaths and housefires were being reported widely in the media during the operation of the scheme - the risk of death was quite clear, yet allowed to continue.
The media reports were ongoing for a long time before the scheme was suspended, to return later on (followed a bit later by yet another backflip and the scheme cancelled).
Also my question was simply if the deaths and house fires were simply a mistake by your reasoning - I have not implied any malice, which you know have as the only alternative.
The media reports were ongoing for a long time before the scheme was suspended, to return later on (followed a bit later by yet another backflip and the scheme cancelled).
Also my question was simply if the deaths and house fires were simply a mistake by your reasoning - I have not implied any malice, which you know have as the only alternative.
so how is that the gov't fault? should they legislate that morons cant do work? I thought that was fairly covered by all the licencing. How is it a ministers fault?
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the accidents/deaths etc were caused by morons fitting it. People using tin foil, and putting metal nails through live electricity cables to pin the foil to the roof joists. I am pretty sure that in the australian building codes it says something like ' dear muppet, if you put a nail through a live wire it is going to hurt '
so how is that the gov't fault? should they legislate that morons cant do work? I thought that was fairly covered by all the licencing. How is it a ministers fault?
so how is that the gov't fault? should they legislate that morons cant do work? I thought that was fairly covered by all the licencing. How is it a ministers fault?
#40
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This is nothing to do with the government -its people being pikeys and taking short cuts. Anyone can work out that putting metal pins through metal sheets into electrical cable is dangerous. I dunno how they left the lofts with the tingly feeling in the fingers , maybe they thought they'd just had a good day.
should every industry be regulated - then make the govt entirely responsible for everything?
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If the government is going to throw loads of money into something like a one-off home insulation scheme, then yes the government is responsible to make sure the implementation under the scheme is satisfactory, and in this case safe.