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Old Oct 30th 2009, 1:48 am
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
To all on here who have a liberal/leftie attitude to this problem; how many boat people should we take? 1000? 5000? 50000? 150000? all of them forever?
None of them.
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Old Oct 30th 2009, 2:00 am
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Originally Posted by renth
None of them.
Agree. The previous government's policy, although not perfect, was better than what is happening now.

We take 13000-odd UNHCR people a year - one of the highest, per capita in the world. I reckon we should take more of them and zero boat people - not one. Make it clear that if you come in by boat, you ain't getting in.
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None of them.
You're a leftie?!
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You're a leftie?!
Leftie=socialist=liberal=loser
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How many do we take now and how does it affect your lifestyle?
Originally Posted by Amazulu
To all on here who have a liberal/leftie attitude to this problem; how many boat people should we take? 1000? 5000? 50000? 150000? all of them forever?
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Old Oct 30th 2009, 4:36 am
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Originally Posted by IvanM
How many do we take now and how does it affect your lifestyle?
We take whoever can get here by boat at the moment. How many do you think we should take?
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
We take whoever can get here by boat at the moment. How many do you think we should take?
Not everyone who arrives by boat or plane are accepted.

I would prefer we not have to take any but the conflicts in the world make that impossible. Here are the current numbers which do not seem unreasonable
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/60refugee.htm
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Originally Posted by IvanM
Not everyone who arrives by boat or plane are accepted.

I would prefer we not have to take any but the conflicts in the world make that impossible. Here are the current numbers which do not seem unreasonable
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/60refugee.htm
True, not everyone is accepted but they remain here until they are, or they are rejected.
The UNHCR sends people here who they think are at risk. It is proper and right that we accept these people but we should draw the line there and accept no boat people at all. I would be happy to see a modest increase in the amount of UN people sent here.
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Default Re: Are "plane people" better than "boat people"?

Originally Posted by Amazulu
I would be happy to see a modest increase in the amount of UN people sent here.
I would second that.
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Old Oct 30th 2009, 7:44 am
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Originally Posted by IvanM
How many do we take now and how does it affect your lifestyle?
During 2007–08, 13,014 Humanitarian visas were granted as follows:

5,132 Refugee (subclass 200) visas
5,026 Global Special Humanitarian Program (subclass 202) visas
1,704 Permanent Protection (subclass 866) visas
819 Woman at Risk (subclass 204) visas
196 Temporary Protection (subclass 785) visas
84 Temporary (Humanitarian Concern) (subclass 786) visa
42 In-country Special Humanitarian (subclass 201) visas
6 Secondary Movement Relocation (Temporary) (subclass 451) visas
5 Emergency Rescue (subclass 203) visas

I don't think it is a case of affecting many peoples lifestyles with a reasonable number. But I don't think that the message should be put out to everyone to get on a boat, as you have a guaranteed home in Australia, with regular paypacket for no work. That might just have complications.
 
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Default Re: Are "plane people" better than "boat people"?

Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
During 2007–08, 13,014 Humanitarian visas were granted as follows:

5,132 Refugee (subclass 200) visas
5,026 Global Special Humanitarian Program (subclass 202) visas
1,704 Permanent Protection (subclass 866) visas
819 Woman at Risk (subclass 204) visas
196 Temporary Protection (subclass 785) visas
84 Temporary (Humanitarian Concern) (subclass 786) visa
42 In-country Special Humanitarian (subclass 201) visas
6 Secondary Movement Relocation (Temporary) (subclass 451) visas
5 Emergency Rescue (subclass 203) visas

I don't think it is a case of affecting many peoples lifestyles with a reasonable number. But I don't think that the message should be put out to everyone to get on a boat, as you have a guaranteed home in Australia, with regular paypacket for no work. That might just have complications.
Refugees should be protected and we should accept as much as we one can accept. However, no FREE PAYPACKET, perhaps loan in which refugee shall payback is more appeasing to society. The technical detail need to be formulated so that it doesn`t excessively burden the refugee but also assist them to be independent. One shall help but there is a limit to the extent of amenities that one country shall provide.
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Default Re: Are "plane people" better than "boat people"?

Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
During 2007–08, 13,014 Humanitarian visas were granted as follows:

5,132 Refugee (subclass 200) visas
5,026 Global Special Humanitarian Program (subclass 202) visas
1,704 Permanent Protection (subclass 866) visas
819 Woman at Risk (subclass 204) visas
196 Temporary Protection (subclass 785) visas
84 Temporary (Humanitarian Concern) (subclass 786) visa
42 In-country Special Humanitarian (subclass 201) visas
6 Secondary Movement Relocation (Temporary) (subclass 451) visas
5 Emergency Rescue (subclass 203) visas

I don't think it is a case of affecting many peoples lifestyles with a reasonable number. But I don't think that the message should be put out to everyone to get on a boat, as you have a guaranteed home in Australia, with regular paypacket for no work. That might just have complications.
It doesn't sound a lot but then once a visa is granted the refugee then applies to have the rest of his extended family come here together with his parents who are then classed as his dependents. So for every visa granted multiply that by 10. Why are all these so called asylum seeker single men who leave their family behind?
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