Obscure Rules in Oz
May 13th 2005, 10:36 am
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Re: Obscure Rules in Oz
Bondi Beach has no ball games, no alchohol, no smoking, no kite surfing, no dog walking yet they allow speedos!
BTW no leaving kids in cars is an essential law here. I think Mrs DB has outlined the reasons well enough.
BTW no leaving kids in cars is an essential law here. I think Mrs DB has outlined the reasons well enough.
May 13th 2005, 10:39 am
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Re: Obscure Rules in Oz
Originally Posted by JackTheLad
Are you trying to pick a fight again Mrs D? I thought you'd be happier today now you've had another bucketload of rain. 
I don't think there needs to be a specific law against leaving a dog in the car, but people should be made aware they could be prosecuted if the animal was caused unnecessary suffering by doing so. i.e. if they are dumb enough to leave a dog in the car in direct sunlight, they will get prosecuted. But on an overcast day, in an underground car park, where the ambient temperature is 19 degrees, its daft to have a law saying I can't go into Coles for 15 minutes and leave the dog in the car. He loves it in the car.
Actually I suppose I'm breaking 2 laws, cos I leave the windows open a bit for him to get fresh air as well. Ooooops
Laws need to be proportional to their impact on the whole society. Banning Pokies cos a few people get addicted to them isn't right. Banning alcohol cos a few people drink drive isn't right. Banning people from leaving kids in their cars at all, ever, just cos one or two muppets messed up isn't right.
Cheers,
JTL
I don't think there needs to be a specific law against leaving a dog in the car, but people should be made aware they could be prosecuted if the animal was caused unnecessary suffering by doing so. i.e. if they are dumb enough to leave a dog in the car in direct sunlight, they will get prosecuted. But on an overcast day, in an underground car park, where the ambient temperature is 19 degrees, its daft to have a law saying I can't go into Coles for 15 minutes and leave the dog in the car. He loves it in the car.
Actually I suppose I'm breaking 2 laws, cos I leave the windows open a bit for him to get fresh air as well. Ooooops
Laws need to be proportional to their impact on the whole society. Banning Pokies cos a few people get addicted to them isn't right. Banning alcohol cos a few people drink drive isn't right. Banning people from leaving kids in their cars at all, ever, just cos one or two muppets messed up isn't right.
Cheers,
JTL
How do you prosecute someone for something if its not illegal to do it?
May 13th 2005, 10:41 am
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Re: Obscure Rules in Oz
Originally Posted by JackTheLad
Are you trying to pick a fight again Mrs D? I thought you'd be happier today now you've had another bucketload of rain.
I don't think there needs to be a specific law against leaving a dog in the car, but people should be made aware they could be prosecuted if the animal was caused unnecessary suffering by doing so. i.e. if they are dumb enough to leave a dog in the car in direct sunlight, they will get prosecuted. But on an overcast day, in an underground car park, where the ambient temperature is 19 degrees, its daft to have a law saying I can't go into Coles for 15 minutes and leave the dog in the car. He loves it in the car.
Actually I suppose I'm breaking 2 laws, cos I leave the windows open a bit for him to get fresh air as well. Ooooops
Laws need to be proportional to their impact on the whole society. Banning Pokies cos a few people get addicted to them isn't right. Banning alcohol cos a few people drink drive isn't right. Banning people from leaving kids in their cars at all, ever, just cos one or two muppets messed up isn't right.
Cheers,
JTL
I don't think there needs to be a specific law against leaving a dog in the car, but people should be made aware they could be prosecuted if the animal was caused unnecessary suffering by doing so. i.e. if they are dumb enough to leave a dog in the car in direct sunlight, they will get prosecuted. But on an overcast day, in an underground car park, where the ambient temperature is 19 degrees, its daft to have a law saying I can't go into Coles for 15 minutes and leave the dog in the car. He loves it in the car.
Actually I suppose I'm breaking 2 laws, cos I leave the windows open a bit for him to get fresh air as well. Ooooops
Laws need to be proportional to their impact on the whole society. Banning Pokies cos a few people get addicted to them isn't right. Banning alcohol cos a few people drink drive isn't right. Banning people from leaving kids in their cars at all, ever, just cos one or two muppets messed up isn't right.
Cheers,
JTL
You wanna watch that mate, if he barks it'll be double jeapordy, if he barks AND does a poo in the car and you dont pick it up thats three-strikes and you'll be doing time.......
May 13th 2005, 10:48 am
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Re: Obscure Rules in Oz
Originally Posted by MrsDagboy
Well there are only a certain number of people killed by drink drivers every year in Australia as well, why dont we just let people decide for themselves whether to drink & drive or not without it actually being illegal?
How do you prosecute someone for something if its not illegal to do it?
How do you prosecute someone for something if its not illegal to do it?
It is already illegal without having to produce a new specific law to make it even more illegal. Like I said, you don't need a specific law to say leaving a dog in the car in direct sunlight is illegal... causing a dog unnecessary suffering is already illegal. Killing kids by leaving them in a locked, closed car in sunlight would probably come under negligent manslaughter.
Why must we have the nanny state saying exactly everything that is legal and illegal. Are adults getting so stupid they can't decipher right from wrong unless its stamped with the big word ILLEGAL on it?
Can you imagine how daft this is going to get if they start getting specific on everything that is legal and illegal. Maybe its the lawyers all earning themselves more money by trying to spot loopholes in general laws, so the government have to keep making more and more specific laws.
JTL
May 13th 2005, 10:55 am
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Re: Obscure Rules in Oz
Originally Posted by JackTheLad
It is already illegal without having to produce a new specific law to make it even more illegal. Like I said, you don't need a specific law to say leaving a dog in the car in direct sunlight is illegal... causing a dog unnecessary suffering is already illegal. Killing kids by leaving them in a locked, closed car in sunlight would probably come under negligent manslaughter.
Why must we have the nanny state saying exactly everything that is legal and illegal. Are adults getting so stupid they can't decipher right from wrong unless its stamped with the big word ILLEGAL on it?
Can you imagine how daft this is going to get if they start getting specific on everything that is legal and illegal. Maybe its the lawyers all earning themselves more money by trying to spot loopholes in general laws, so the government have to keep making more and more specific laws.
JTL
Why must we have the nanny state saying exactly everything that is legal and illegal. Are adults getting so stupid they can't decipher right from wrong unless its stamped with the big word ILLEGAL on it?
Can you imagine how daft this is going to get if they start getting specific on everything that is legal and illegal. Maybe its the lawyers all earning themselves more money by trying to spot loopholes in general laws, so the government have to keep making more and more specific laws.
JTL
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May 13th 2005, 10:58 am
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Re: Obscure Rules in Oz
Surely there's a difference between laws protecting kids, pets etc. and laws stopping you tiling your own bathroom or wiring a plug?
Is it more of a union thing, protecting the interests of tilers or sparkies everywhere?
Is it more of a union thing, protecting the interests of tilers or sparkies everywhere?
May 13th 2005, 10:59 am
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Re: Obscure Rules in Oz
Originally Posted by MrsDagboy
I think you've lost the plot on this one mate .
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May 13th 2005, 11:02 am
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Re: Obscure Rules in Oz
Originally Posted by JackTheLad
It is already illegal without having to produce a new specific law to make it even more illegal. Like I said, you don't need a specific law to say leaving a dog in the car in direct sunlight is illegal... causing a dog unnecessary suffering is already illegal. Killing kids by leaving them in a locked, closed car in sunlight would probably come under negligent manslaughter.
Why must we have the nanny state saying exactly everything that is legal and illegal. Are adults getting so stupid they can't decipher right from wrong unless its stamped with the big word ILLEGAL on it?
Can you imagine how daft this is going to get if they start getting specific on everything that is legal and illegal. Maybe its the lawyers all earning themselves more money by trying to spot loopholes in general laws, so the government have to keep making more and more specific laws.
JTL
Why must we have the nanny state saying exactly everything that is legal and illegal. Are adults getting so stupid they can't decipher right from wrong unless its stamped with the big word ILLEGAL on it?
Can you imagine how daft this is going to get if they start getting specific on everything that is legal and illegal. Maybe its the lawyers all earning themselves more money by trying to spot loopholes in general laws, so the government have to keep making more and more specific laws.
JTL
In the Brisbane District Court today she pleaded guilty to one count of endangering the health of children under 12 by exposure
Regards
Alistair
PS: Go MrsD...I think he's wounded...he's starting to thrash around...
May 13th 2005, 11:03 am
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Re: Obscure Rules in Oz
Originally Posted by cadman
Surely there's a difference between laws protecting kids, pets etc. and laws stopping you tiling your own bathroom or wiring a plug?
.BTW, there is no law stopping you from tiling your own bathroom, there are however laws stopping you from doing major renovations (I believe its anything over about $7000) without an owner builders course & licence however.
Last edited by MrsDagboy; May 13th 2005 at 11:10 am. Reason: add licence
May 13th 2005, 11:06 am
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Re: Obscure Rules in Oz
I read somewhere, I thought it was on ourbrisbane.com but I cant find it again, that you cant use power tools on the weekend or public holidays due to the noise polution effect.
I also read somewhere that if you own a cat it has to be kept indoors because its a danger to the natural wildlife!!
I also read somewhere that if you own a cat it has to be kept indoors because its a danger to the natural wildlife!!
May 13th 2005, 11:14 am
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Re: Obscure Rules in Oz
Originally Posted by kirsty&al
PS: Go MrsD...I think he's wounded...he's starting to thrash around...
Apparently I can't say anymore on this topic cos
a) I've lost the plot
(an excuse she's lost the argument if ever I heard one)and
b) I'm thrashing around. (by answering Mrs D, yes, that is a pointless exercise)
Cheers,
JTL
May 13th 2005, 11:16 am
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Re: Obscure Rules in Oz
Originally Posted by manxfamily
I read somewhere, I thought it was on ourbrisbane.com but I cant find it again, that you cant use power tools on the weekend or public holidays due to the noise polution effect.
I also read somewhere that if you own a cat it has to be kept indoors because its a danger to the natural wildlife!!
I also read somewhere that if you own a cat it has to be kept indoors because its a danger to the natural wildlife!!
Not sure about the cat laws either, although I do know that some councils have cat curfews where the cats are supposed to be indoors after dark I think.
May 13th 2005, 11:17 am
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Re: Obscure Rules in Oz
Originally Posted by JackTheLad
Bored more like
Apparently I can't say anymore on this topic cos
a) I've lost the plot (an excuse she's lost the argument if ever I heard one)
and
b) I'm thrashing around. (by answering Mrs D, yes, that is a pointless exercise)
Cheers,
JTL
Apparently I can't say anymore on this topic cos
a) I've lost the plot
(an excuse she's lost the argument if ever I heard one)and
b) I'm thrashing around. (by answering Mrs D, yes, that is a pointless exercise)
Cheers,
JTL
May 13th 2005, 11:34 am
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Re: Obscure Rules in Oz
Originally Posted by JackTheLad
Apparently I can't say anymore on this topic cos
a) I've lost the plot
(an excuse she's lost the argument if ever I heard one) Whether its a general law or a specific law is irrelevant, if it makes people more aware & can save a childs life or from being injured its has to be a plus. Pity you dont see it as such.
May 13th 2005, 11:43 am
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Re: Obscure Rules in Oz
Originally Posted by JackTheLad
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Laws need to be proportional to their impact on the whole society. Banning Pokies cos a few people get addicted to them isn't right. Banning alcohol cos a few people drink drive isn't right. Banning people from leaving kids in their cars at all, ever, just cos one or two muppets messed up isn't right.
Cheers,
JTL
Laws need to be proportional to their impact on the whole society. Banning Pokies cos a few people get addicted to them isn't right. Banning alcohol cos a few people drink drive isn't right. Banning people from leaving kids in their cars at all, ever, just cos one or two muppets messed up isn't right.
Cheers,
JTL
Alcohol is generally fun - so no law banning them.
Abandoning kids in a car for a long time in hot weather is not fun (and potentially deadly) – so it is quite reasonable to have a law banning it.
It the same with drunk driving; its not fun (and anyone who thinks it is, is perverse) – so it is quite reasonable to have a law banning it.
It’s a bit like comparing apples and oranges.
Regards
Alistair