Is Moving To Australia Still Worth It In 2017/18
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Re: Is Moving To Australia Still Worth It In 2017/18
The hairdressers are living off trickle down. Without money trickling down from the wealthy to average Joe (or Josephine) the monthly hair colouring is non existent.
Even a die hard unionist like Ozzie is living off trickle down. Ozzie thought he was going to be put out to pasture and retire but along came internet shopping and his job remains.
Its all about stimulation.
The bottom line is, no matter what spin the lefties put on it, the wealthy always pay the bulk of tax and support the poor.
Even a die hard unionist like Ozzie is living off trickle down. Ozzie thought he was going to be put out to pasture and retire but along came internet shopping and his job remains.
Its all about stimulation.
The bottom line is, no matter what spin the lefties put on it, the wealthy always pay the bulk of tax and support the poor.
It is absolutely true though that the top end is renunerated excessively in some sectors. If people were paid more evenly that would still be trickle down.
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Another way to look at it is: what is a man or woman worth? Let's say 25-50 an hour. That's it. Just time. Anyone who charges or earns more has had to put in investment of additional time or capital and has expenses. A tradie might work Saturday to quote. Just about every office worker earning morw than 30 dollars an hour is shaving a cut of the company..their seat cost and insurance is absorbed. Their tea and coffee and milk is absorbed. Any time spent on the internet is absorbed.
It is absolutely true though that the top end is renunerated excessively in some sectors. If people were paid more evenly that would still be trickle down.
It is absolutely true though that the top end is renunerated excessively in some sectors. If people were paid more evenly that would still be trickle down.
If we went down that path there would be no incentive for people to become brain surgeons. On the flipside we would have an excess of hair dressers, unemployed hair dressers (supply and demand) and no one making money to pay the tax for schools, doctors, roads, bridges, and the "new millions" on welfare because some bright spark thought equality was a good thing.
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Hang on. You are saying a haircut could (or should) be worth the same as brain surgery.
If we went down that path there would be no incentive for people to become brain surgeons. On the flipside we would have an excess of hair dressers, unemployed hair dressers (supply and demand) and no one making money to pay the tax for schools, doctors, roads, bridges, and the "new millions" on welfare because some bright spark thought equality was a good thing.
If we went down that path there would be no incentive for people to become brain surgeons. On the flipside we would have an excess of hair dressers, unemployed hair dressers (supply and demand) and no one making money to pay the tax for schools, doctors, roads, bridges, and the "new millions" on welfare because some bright spark thought equality was a good thing.
Sure, some people earn more than others due to their natural talent or prior investment but in Capitalism it is also because they take the risk for others. Some small business owners have huge costs paying their workers and only just reap the reward.
The trickle down effect supports the rank and file.
And it's why Socialism or Marxism didn't work.
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You would think brain surgery is lower demand than say hair cut. But the level of expertise and skill required and level of training makes it exponential to the hairdresser.
Within professions there is tiers:
Call girls (maybe touchy profession but point is street walker versus high end)
Solicitors (Small partnership versus large global corporate)
People also develop networks and relationships that are worth paying a higher tier. Advocacy for example where you have to get on the page with what the party is thinking or how they evaluate.
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Touchy maybe, but steet walker is going to utter crap right?
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So many dimensions to supply and demand, which you have interesting highlighted.
You would think brain surgery is lower demand than say hair cut. But the level of expertise and skill required and level of training makes it exponential to the hairdresser.
Within professions there is tiers:
Call girls (maybe touchy profession but point is street walker versus high end)
Solicitors (Small partnership versus large global corporate)
People also develop networks and relationships that are worth paying a higher tier. Advocacy for example where you have to get on the page with what the party is thinking or how they evaluate.
You would think brain surgery is lower demand than say hair cut. But the level of expertise and skill required and level of training makes it exponential to the hairdresser.
Within professions there is tiers:
Call girls (maybe touchy profession but point is street walker versus high end)
Solicitors (Small partnership versus large global corporate)
People also develop networks and relationships that are worth paying a higher tier. Advocacy for example where you have to get on the page with what the party is thinking or how they evaluate.
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Not quite. Actually monkeys would be more likely to do a better job than some of those in position.
Anyone that thinks the best get the 'best' are very deluded to say the least.
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Absolutely true - there is advice to the kids: if you want to do something aim for Tier 1 or a path to Tier 1. There are plenty of professions where Tier 2 can be disappointing. I've often said on BE that sector and industry can make or break! Expats grumbling about the horrible people they meet at work. Others doing OK..Tier 2 might be public sector and Tier 1 might be private sector. It depends. Tier 2 might be a salary range. Tier 1 might be a cultural factor. I have met people that do my job in Tier 2 and 3 and it is a different scene to Tier 1/2. It really is.
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I did say some charge more, but we all sell or trade the same time.
Sure, some people earn more than others due to their natural talent or prior investment but in Capitalism it is also because they take the risk for others. Some small business owners have huge costs paying their workers and only just reap the reward.
The trickle down effect supports the rank and file.
And it's why Socialism or Marxism didn't work.
Sure, some people earn more than others due to their natural talent or prior investment but in Capitalism it is also because they take the risk for others. Some small business owners have huge costs paying their workers and only just reap the reward.
The trickle down effect supports the rank and file.
And it's why Socialism or Marxism didn't work.
Take the risk for others or others take the risk. Too easy to gain on other peoples money. Or lose as the case may be. Banks being a good example of excessive risk taking, but welcoming, indeed expecting a socialist bail out when things went arse up.
Socialism worked perfectly well for the most part in Northern Europe. Most were rather proud of their cradle to grave welfare, diluted over time of course by change in government.
Far better of course than the English speaking nations which developed policy designed to maximise profit of a tiny minority of very rich people, not the citizens well being.
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Another way to look at it is: what is a man or woman worth? Let's say 25-50 an hour. That's it. Just time. Anyone who charges or earns more has had to put in investment of additional time or capital and has expenses. A tradie might work Saturday to quote. Just about every office worker earning morw than 30 dollars an hour is shaving a cut of the company..their seat cost and insurance is absorbed. Their tea and coffee and milk is absorbed. Any time spent on the internet is absorbed.
It is absolutely true though that the top end is renunerated excessively in some sectors. If people were paid more evenly that would still be trickle down.
It is absolutely true though that the top end is renunerated excessively in some sectors. If people were paid more evenly that would still be trickle down.
The measurement of value? Lets not forget a self taught, left school at fifteen bloke that cleans gutters and replaces a down pipe or two can charge more than a psychologist for example. I wonder if the roof bloke's earnings would trickle down or should that read up to the psychologist?
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Trickle down effect still exists...I beg to differ..
Any analyst who earns 150k a year sitting at a desk. That's simply no risk or other capital cost involved..someone else is taking the risk and getting the profits..but you are earning more than an admin clerk on 60k say.
Any place where you earn an hourly rate in excess of the average and dont put in capital is a good example. If this was not the case we would all be sole proprietors charging 60 bucks an hour...and stumping up the capital..we would all be hairdressers..
Any analyst who earns 150k a year sitting at a desk. That's simply no risk or other capital cost involved..someone else is taking the risk and getting the profits..but you are earning more than an admin clerk on 60k say.
Any place where you earn an hourly rate in excess of the average and dont put in capital is a good example. If this was not the case we would all be sole proprietors charging 60 bucks an hour...and stumping up the capital..we would all be hairdressers..
She of course prefers cash. Runs her business from a fine house, has no employees, and relatives do her garden ....I wouldn't knock hairdressers.....
Of course some of other reasons outside of money why they perform certain acts as well......
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Well hairdressers going by my partners experience does exceedingly well. I do hope she remembers to trickle down. I know I get a biscuit and coffee while waiting for partner to be 'completed' so in that sense you are correct.
She of course prefers cash. Runs her business from a fine house, has no employees, and relatives do her garden ....I wouldn't knock hairdressers.....
Of course some of other reasons outside of money why they perform certain acts as well......
She of course prefers cash. Runs her business from a fine house, has no employees, and relatives do her garden ....I wouldn't knock hairdressers.....
Of course some of other reasons outside of money why they perform certain acts as well......
Personal services can be lucrative as sometimes operating costs or capital can be reduced..
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Again this seems to be the theme of your moaning. It makes interesting conversation.
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A lot of people do extra hours, some considerably longer, without reward. This is increasingly expected in certain jobs.
The measurement of value? Lets not forget a self taught, left school at fifteen bloke that cleans gutters and replaces a down pipe or two can charge more than a psychologist for example. I wonder if the roof bloke's earnings would trickle down or should that read up to the psychologist?
The measurement of value? Lets not forget a self taught, left school at fifteen bloke that cleans gutters and replaces a down pipe or two can charge more than a psychologist for example. I wonder if the roof bloke's earnings would trickle down or should that read up to the psychologist?
The plumber is the smart one here. Not the Psycho
Simple economics. Every needs to shit and shower. Not everyone needs to tell their problems to a Psycho.
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many hold back telling the psych yet offload to the plumber.