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Old Jan 12th 2018, 9:23 pm   #286
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Migrants? So what? You are one, I am one. As long as they contribute more than they take away, like you and I, where's the problem?
None it's a positive, thats the point I was trying to make, surely if the SE Asians can do it, then maybe the UK people should give it a go as well, instead of carrying on about how much the system is against them these days.

If it's income people want. move to bloody Darwin. 2.4 pct unemployment up there and very high wages. Build a base and come back to proper civilisation with that base and potentially a new work ethic.
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Old Jan 12th 2018, 11:01 pm   #287
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You great faith in Donald Trump. Good to see.
May be your hero.....but the fact remains when interest rates rise in America....a simple glance at a first year economic manual with regards to Australia's overseas borrowing will confirm ......
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None it's a positive, thats the point I was trying to make, surely if the SE Asians can do it, then maybe the UK people should give it a go as well, instead of carrying on about how much the system is against them these days.

If it's income people want. move to bloody Darwin. 2.4 pct unemployment up there and very high wages. Build a base and come back to proper civilisation with that base and potentially a new work ethic.


How is running a record, or close to, migration program a positive? Most thinking people will agree immigration has and is a positive for Australia. But not in the numbers entering city's like Melbourne at present.


Actually most are not South East Asians but from China and India. Do you find the laundering of money in real estate also a good thing, while we are on the subject?
Why would UK people really want to Darwin? If the main cities of choice are out of reach due to start up costs why even bother going to Australia?


My impression was people came for a better life not a harder one?
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I have no empathy for those thoughts. Its pure greed and ignorance.

In Australia the top 1% own approx 10% of the wealth yet pay approx 20% of all taxation directly. Indirectly are responsible for contributing a hell of a lot more.

In the US the top 1% pay about 50% percent of all income tax. The bottom 80% pay about 15%.

Best bear that in mind before you buy into Tabloid Troubadour
Remind me what do you do again? Go after corporations for money? You are about the least suited person for that role I'd suggest. Your constant stance on the rip off Big Business conducts on this country and their right to do so disqualifies you somewhat, it may be fair to assume.


How you arrive at the greed and ignorance being in the hands of ordinary [people beggars belief.


The reality of course is the top 1% have more than the bottom 60%.


The OECD found Australia to be 11th most unequal of 34 OECD countries.


While not the worst certainly not the egalitarian country of lore.
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The reality of course is the top 1% have more than the bottom 60%.
That's the reality of percentages. Be thankful for what you receive from the top 1%. I am. The greed and resentment is killing you.

PS. Trumps immigration policy is right up your alley.
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That's the reality of percentages. Be thankful for what you receive from the top 1%. I am. The greed and resentment is killing you.

PS. Trumps immigration policy is right up your alley.


While you continue to applaud growing inequality, your petty bourgeoisie desire to be part of something you will never be permitted is really quite appalling.


Your PS does not warrant a comment. Although a further ill conceived comment without a level of foundation not to say dumb . Trump under other circumstances , would be far more up your road.....
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While you continue to applaud growing inequality, your petty bourgeoisie desire to be part of something you will never be permitted is really quite appalling.
Awww ..... really? Its just the reality my friend.

You have a choice, you can live in a society that's free to do most things you want, and that leads to inequality.

Or

You can support communism which will really give you the outcomes you desire.

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Nope.

Trumps stance is all about keeping it internal, keeping the jobs internal, America first.

You stance is all about keeping it internal, keeping the jobs internal, Australia first.

When your ideals radically align with one of the most hated men on the planet, it hits home doesn't it?
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Awww ..... really? Its just the reality my friend.

You have a choice, you can live in a society that's free to do most things you want, and that leads to inequality.

Or

You can support communism which will really give you the outcomes you desire.



Nope.

Trumps stance is all about keeping it internal, keeping the jobs internal, America first.

You stance is all about keeping it internal, keeping the jobs internal, Australia first.

When your ideals radically align with one of the most hated men on the planet, it hits home doesn't it?
Nope. It is about a fair and just slice of the pie for everybody. Only a raving, loony rightard would see that as communism.
The trickle down effect is so last century ....and a failure......


Allowing the 'few' ever more control over wealth and policy making, so century before last.


My ideas are far removed from Trump as you well know. He appeals to the right wing......I have always supported immigration. Just not the numbers coming in at near record number, especially during a time of growing inequality, static wage rises, many not working the hours desired, in order to basically keep the Ponzi housing market afloat and pay conditions down.


Far easier to hire a 457 than train a local. Totally wrong. Yes. I realise that sentiment is a bit to close to home.
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Mr T, I do believe thst whilst the top end of town own the rest, they still pay a lot more tax than the bottom or middle.

It is often forgotten. It was once explained with a bunch of men putting in for a round of beer on some ability to pay basis. As soon as they tried to distribute the pot more equally (tax redistribution) it broke down and everyone got less, or couldn't have a drink.
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Mr T, I do believe thst whilst the top end of town own the rest, they still pay a lot more tax than the bottom or middle.

It is often forgotten. It was once explained with a bunch of men putting in for a round of beer on some ability to pay basis. As soon as they tried to distribute the pot more equally (tax redistribution) it broke down and everyone got less, or couldn't have a drink.


Now why would anybody pay more just because they earn a hell of a lot more, even after creative accounting? Darn unfair. Although statically of course the less well off pay a greater share of their earnings in tax and pure survival.
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Now why would anybody pay more just because they earn a hell of a lot more, even after creative accounting? Darn unfair. Although statically of course the less well off pay a greater share of their earnings in tax and pure survival.
$50,000 x 15% = $7,500

$500,000 x 10% = $50,000


or put it this way paying 4% of income on tax, but the tax amount is over $500,000

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I guess those on $500,000 have the capacity to spend more on more things hence regarded as superior consumers. Poor people spend too much on survival basics. Hence may as well tax them for the privilege of being poor......


At least a justification by some towards such inequality....
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I guess those on $500,000 have the capacity to spend more on more things hence regarded as superior consumers. Poor people spend too much on survival basics. Hence may as well tax them for the privilege of being poor......


At least a justification by some towards such inequality....

There is another factor that is much harder to quantify. That is what is regarded as poor in Australia may not be so poor in other countries. Including the UK. In other words, the level at which one is regarded as poor in Australia may well be higher than most other countries in the world.
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I guess those on $500,000 have the capacity to spend more on more things hence regarded as superior consumers. Poor people spend too much on survival basics. Hence may as well tax them for the privilege of being poor......


At least a justification by some towards such inequality....
The inequality is

Poor or lower income have the time but not the money to spend
Higher income have the money but not the time to spend as they are working the hours to make the money.
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There is another factor that is much harder to quantify. That is what is regarded as poor in Australia may not be so poor in other countries. Including the UK. In other words, the level at which one is regarded as poor in Australia may well be higher than most other countries in the world.
It is relative. I believe the poor would likely be aware of who they are. Just because a section of those people are in debt to the eyeballs, buying too much on credit, giving the appearance of having excessive toys, many are likely to be economically illiterate and convinced by sales people to enter 'agreements' they were not in the least qualified to access.


I think it doesn't matter the measurement, as being poor, and living in say South Africa, will prove very different from the poverty experienced perhaps living in a council flat in Luton UK.
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