Job agencies in Aus
Jul 4th 2008, 7:28 am
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Re: Job agencies in Aus
Well if I don't get a job soon I'll be putting my house on the market and returning to the UK.
It's seriously not funny here.
It's seriously not funny here.
Jul 4th 2008, 7:36 am
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Re: Job agencies in Aus
Jul 4th 2008, 7:41 am
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Re: Job agencies in Aus
I worked for CITB in Scotland as a training adviser, overseeing construction trade apprenticeships.
I also taught computing part time at college, but my qualifications aren't recognised here.
I've even been knocked back for clerical roles here.
Had an interview with the government for an apprenticeship support officer on Wednesday but didn't get the job - another setback.
One guy even told me that they "have men here who do that kind of work"
I also taught computing part time at college, but my qualifications aren't recognised here.
I've even been knocked back for clerical roles here.
Had an interview with the government for an apprenticeship support officer on Wednesday but didn't get the job - another setback.
One guy even told me that they "have men here who do that kind of work"
Jul 4th 2008, 7:43 am
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Re: Job agencies in Aus
To be honest it all depends what kind of work you are looking for, level of salary and responsibility. The closer you are to "normality" or "acceptable" then the luckier you could be.
An example - if you're willing to work in Coles on the meat counter - look greatin a hairnet and white overalls, well Australia thinks that's a lovely job for a girl your age so you'll do damn fine
You could even be a dinner lady, tuckshop lady, PA [not secretary, sorry...too old
]....or an Admin clerk, or office manager.
If however on the other hand you're not a bad looking 46 year old, with excellent skills, intelligent, smart, quick, willing to make improvements, worked in senior positions before, can give the men a good run for your money and are prepared to make changes in business for the better.
Then forget it.
What are you....mad
An example - if you're willing to work in Coles on the meat counter - look greatin a hairnet and white overalls, well Australia thinks that's a lovely job for a girl your age so you'll do damn fine
You could even be a dinner lady, tuckshop lady, PA [not secretary, sorry...too old]....or an Admin clerk, or office manager.If however on the other hand you're not a bad looking 46 year old, with excellent skills, intelligent, smart, quick, willing to make improvements, worked in senior positions before, can give the men a good run for your money and are prepared to make changes in business for the better.
Then forget it.
What are you....mad
Jul 4th 2008, 7:54 am
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Re: Job agencies in Aus
I worked for CITB in Scotland as a training adviser, overseeing construction trade apprenticeships.
I also taught computing part time at college, but my qualifications aren't recognised here.
I've even been knocked back for clerical roles here.
Had an interview with the government for an apprenticeship support officer on Wednesday but didn't get the job - another setback.
One guy even told me that they "have men here who do that kind of work"
I also taught computing part time at college, but my qualifications aren't recognised here.
I've even been knocked back for clerical roles here.
Had an interview with the government for an apprenticeship support officer on Wednesday but didn't get the job - another setback.
One guy even told me that they "have men here who do that kind of work"
a) you haven't got the experience in Aus - which you can't get cos your skills aren't recognised here
b) "men here do that kind of work":curse:
I have seen extremely well qualified Engineers, Accountants and various others be turned down even before interview stage due to not having Aus experience, being the wrong colour, having a "funny" accent or being a "woman" who "wouldn't be able to manage the men"
The irony is these have been skilled jobs that Australia needs
Australia really needs to get its act together re equal opportunities on the job front
Keep looking hon. One day you might get lucky. Don't let the buggars get you down
Jul 4th 2008, 8:18 am
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Jul 4th 2008, 9:03 am
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Re: Job agencies in Aus
To be honest it all depends what kind of work you are looking for, level of salary and responsibility. The closer you are to "normality" or "acceptable" then the luckier you could be.
An example - if you're willing to work in Coles on the meat counter - look greatin a hairnet and white overalls, well Australia thinks that's a lovely job for a girl your age so you'll do damn fine You could even be a dinner lady, tuckshop lady, PA [not secretary, sorry...too old]....or an Admin clerk, or office manager.
If however on the other hand you're not a bad looking 46 year old, with excellent skills, intelligent, smart, quick, willing to make improvements, worked in senior positions before, can give the men a good run for your money and are prepared to make changes in business for the better.
Then forget it.
What are you....mad
An example - if you're willing to work in Coles on the meat counter - look greatin a hairnet and white overalls, well Australia thinks that's a lovely job for a girl your age so you'll do damn fine
You could even be a dinner lady, tuckshop lady, PA [not secretary, sorry...too old]....or an Admin clerk, or office manager.If however on the other hand you're not a bad looking 46 year old, with excellent skills, intelligent, smart, quick, willing to make improvements, worked in senior positions before, can give the men a good run for your money and are prepared to make changes in business for the better.
Then forget it.
What are you....mad
if you sign on with an agency you just have to be persistent I used to phone them 2-3 times a day to see if any work had come in (either temp or perm) eventually they get so sick of you calling they give you work to get you off there backs and thats when you get chance to prove yourself and if your good the work should start pouring in
Jul 4th 2008, 9:33 am
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Re: Job agencies in Aus
I think agencies are the same the world over. I do agency work at the moment and one agency I'm with is still advertising a temp position that I actually covered the contract on 3 months ago they keep them advertised so they can recruit so they know they can cover jobs if need be.
if you sign on with an agency you just have to be persistent I used to phone them 2-3 times a day to see if any work had come in (either temp or perm) eventually they get so sick of you calling they give you work to get you off there backs and thats when you get chance to prove yourself and if your good the work should start pouring in
if you sign on with an agency you just have to be persistent I used to phone them 2-3 times a day to see if any work had come in (either temp or perm) eventually they get so sick of you calling they give you work to get you off there backs and thats when you get chance to prove yourself and if your good the work should start pouring in
Hi Paul
Are you working in UK or Aus?
The problem out here is that the majority of work is through agencies so they have a massive influence on recruitment. I'm not saying some UK agencies play any less fair, but most large / good organisations in UK do their own recruitment because of this.
Also the UK law is such that if a company doesn't recruit the right "mix" of people in terms of equal ops -questions are asked. This ensures a more equitable recruitment process and it also stops UK businesses blaming recruitment agencies for not recruiting the right mix under equal ops laws.
The recruitment process over here is a whole different ball game and has a major effect on the Aussie workplace economy. Until Aus wakes up to this, inequality, poor productivity and poor management will rule
Jul 4th 2008, 9:48 pm
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Re: Job agencies in Aus
Hi Paul
Are you working in UK or Aus?
The problem out here is that the majority of work is through agencies so they have a massive influence on recruitment. I'm not saying some UK agencies play any less fair, but most large / good organisations in UK do their own recruitment because of this.
Also the UK law is such that if a company doesn't recruit the right "mix" of people in terms of equal ops -questions are asked. This ensures a more equitable recruitment process and it also stops UK businesses blaming recruitment agencies for not recruiting the right mix under equal ops laws.
The recruitment process over here is a whole different ball game and has a major effect on the Aussie workplace economy. Until Aus wakes up to this, inequality, poor productivity and poor management will rule
Are you working in UK or Aus?
The problem out here is that the majority of work is through agencies so they have a massive influence on recruitment. I'm not saying some UK agencies play any less fair, but most large / good organisations in UK do their own recruitment because of this.
Also the UK law is such that if a company doesn't recruit the right "mix" of people in terms of equal ops -questions are asked. This ensures a more equitable recruitment process and it also stops UK businesses blaming recruitment agencies for not recruiting the right mix under equal ops laws.
The recruitment process over here is a whole different ball game and has a major effect on the Aussie workplace economy. Until Aus wakes up to this, inequality, poor productivity and poor management will rule
Jul 4th 2008, 11:41 pm
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Jul 5th 2008, 2:09 am
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Re: Job agencies in Aus
In my experience they never reply but get out there and show your face to potential companies - forget the agencies. I got a start 1st place I walked into and lots of interest from others so if your prepared to put yourself about you will get results in the end.
Good luck
Good luck
Jul 5th 2008, 3:51 am
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Re: Job agencies in Aus
Don't take in personally, mate. It is just how they do things here. They won't call just for a chat and to talk about the weather. If they do call it is because they have something you might be interested in.
Jul 5th 2008, 4:29 am
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Re: Job agencies in Aus
Well i have 2 job offers now...neither of them were through an agency.
In saying that i have a 'job' interview at an agency on monday....not sure if i'll go now though
Lee
In saying that i have a 'job' interview at an agency on monday....not sure if i'll go now though
Lee
Jul 5th 2008, 10:55 am
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Re: Job agencies in Aus
As an Aussie who has dealt with around 40 recruitment agencies I can tell you right now they want a quick sell.
That means you should not demand a role that is suitable for you....it should be an easy sell for them.
This means you dont apply for something that is highly competitive but you are still qualified to do. Because there will be 50 other applicants to compete against and this takes the agents time.
They want you to apply under your skill set, but not in a role where you are socially unsuitable such as your age or sex.
Basically agents can afford to have such a restrictive view on employment because there is a lot of cheap temporary labour coming and going. When I worked in finance virtually all of our temps were backpackers from everywhere. And the temps were a solid 30% of the workforce in my area.
They were cheap, spoke sufficient English, got no benefits or leave entitlements and were not sticking around long enough to start demanding more money.
Welcome to the Australian workplace.
P.S. If you want to avoid the agencies then apply for a University job, a lot of competition but atleast you get to speak directly to the employer. Thats what I did and was very successful
That means you should not demand a role that is suitable for you....it should be an easy sell for them.
This means you dont apply for something that is highly competitive but you are still qualified to do. Because there will be 50 other applicants to compete against and this takes the agents time.
They want you to apply under your skill set, but not in a role where you are socially unsuitable such as your age or sex.
Basically agents can afford to have such a restrictive view on employment because there is a lot of cheap temporary labour coming and going. When I worked in finance virtually all of our temps were backpackers from everywhere. And the temps were a solid 30% of the workforce in my area.
They were cheap, spoke sufficient English, got no benefits or leave entitlements and were not sticking around long enough to start demanding more money.
Welcome to the Australian workplace.
P.S. If you want to avoid the agencies then apply for a University job, a lot of competition but atleast you get to speak directly to the employer. Thats what I did and was very successful
