bcworld

Was there ever a time in the last 150 years when this wasn't happening in Australia?

38141

Ya but those people from the last 150 yrs were generally of UK/Irish/Euro descent.


And to add another against, there simply is not enough water and other vital resources here, due to climate, lack of rainfall, etc

ex_exile

Aboloshing the states would actually bring democracy closer to the people as has been pointed out a little further up the thread through the advent of super councils, unitary authorities call them what you will. Australian states are so big that the seat of power can easily be 2000km away, do they know or care what is happening in the bush? Probably not.

You clearly have no idea what marxism is btw.

And welcome to my ignore list (1st member in 4 years, congrats) you clearly only need an audience of one for your schoolboy political theories and I gave up troll feeding a long time ago.

Seneca21

No one "creates" a country, but put simply forms of governance change. I must say your post looks tome like you are advocating some kind of racial selection for candidates for Australian citizenship, which is dodgy territory.

Where we might agree is on cultural issues. In my mind there are specific cultures which did not benefit from the Enlightenment and seemto have difficulty integrating into Western liberal societies in large numbers. My view is that Western liberal governments have an obligation to ensure these cultures are not allowed to become the tail that wags the dog.

Seneca21

When has big government ever given people more power? Devolution in Britain was not about being nice, but about breaking up the (inherently conservative) political union between Scotland and England and allowing funding from Brussels to filter direct to Edinburgh bypassing London. In other words, it was about greater centralisation, the exact opposite of devolution.

If tere is a problem with the states in Australia (which there isn't), but if there were, the solution is better more efficient state-level governance, not very expensive abolition and centralisation, with a side order of waffle about super councils, which would all be controlled via the purse strings by Canberra.

The socialists' mania for centralisation in this case shows zero respect for state traditions and history and state loyalty.

The individual states need much more independence and legislative powers, not less.

Seneca21

I'm not sure you should be proud of putting someone on an ignore list because you find their argument too difficult to deal with. I would be pleased if you were to explain to me what Marxism is, as well. If you have the time, that is.

But then you are the kind of fool that thinks a "super council" would be any better than the current arrangement of local councils, and that its obligation to report to a centralised power depot thousands of kms away in Canberra is better than the concept of state capitals with their own chambers.

I have not put you or The Thing on my ignore list because I am entertained by your directionless, unfounded, inconversant prattle. Keep it up.

bcworld

So in other words....KEEP AUSTRALIA BRITISH!

There is no lack of rainfall in Australia, only lack of infrastructure.

Seneca21

I hate to agree with bcworld, but he is right. Only Adelaide has lower annual rainfall than London, all other Australian cities have higher - in some cases much higher - rainfall, and of course a significantly lower population underneath all that falling rain. The problem is infrastructure & investment - the natural resources are there and could support a MUCH bigger population.

Labor's recent talk of keeping Australia "small" is about the GFC and unions leaning on them about unemployment problems in the future.

Buzzy--Bee

Actually I think the problem is an unwillingness by Australians to drink recycled water.

BB

ozzieeagle

The States collectively have totally failed this country on Water infrastructure, Their arguing over river catchments that pass through their boundaries should be reason enough to abolish them. How anyone can argue against this, hasn't lived here long enough. The sooner they are gone the sooner we can undo the acute damage they have caused.

There are plenty of law and order issues in Boundary towns where individual States enforcement agencies jurisdiction stops at a artificial boundary, is another reason why this outdated and quaint set up should be sent to the dustbin of history. In fact some of those issues are down right dangerous.

State boundaries cause plenty of problems, I cannot for the life of me see how you think they dont

Seneca21

I will approach this another way. Australia is too big to be run from one centralised seat of power. If you get rid of the states, you will have to replace them with more states, only these will be called "councils". These councils will have territorial resources to defend and they will argue and squabble with on another just like the states.

I cannot for the life of me see how you think changing the word "state" to "super council" will change the geographical flow of the Murray or the demand upon it.

coolshadows

The state governments should remain to implement and administer CENTRALISED legislation.

Seneca21

Legislation should be made at the state level in various areas. This inculcates competition between the states to provide the best standard of living as people will migrate to the best-run state and everyone benefits. This is the exact opposite of what happens when power is concentrated in the hands of a few people distanced from the electorate, and the end result is stagnation and corruption.

I can walk into an actual legislative chamber a few kms from my front door and access the government as easy as pie. Anyone wanting to take that away from the people and reduce their democratic voice has a fight on their hands.

iamthecreaturefromuranus

Mods... now I've tried to play nice and put this political crackpot on my ignore list, but do I have to put up with seeing their witterings when other people respond to it, or is there a way I can blank that as well?


...or do I just have to take it off the ignore list and get stuck in?

Buzzy--Bee

You could just read another thread.....

BB