Finding a job (should I stay or should I go)
#17
Re: Finding a job (should I stay or should I go)
Thanks Renth, i will come, soon, and I'm sure everything will be OK.
See ya
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#18
Re: Finding a job (should I stay or should I go)
Hi Dorothy,
Thanks for the first hand information and suggestions, but this is probably a more specific issue.
When you consider hiring an IT guy with specific knowledge and experience, you always consider overseas people. It’s nothing specific to Australia, it’s so in the USA, the UK, Ireland, the rest of EU… everywhere. Also, phone interviews are something quite normal everywhere in the world.
Available now is somebody without a job. I can’t quit in 2 days, no matter if I’m in Australia or Alaska. I am supposed, and usually obliged by the contract, to provide a notice, 2 weeks-30 days in advance, and only maybe to discuss with my current employer about a possibility of leaving earlier.
I know it’s much easier when people can meet but, when I think about moving there without a job offer it looks more like gambling then like a planned relocation. I thought migration is a win-win game, and I still hope it is. :-) Time will show…
Thanks for the first hand information and suggestions, but this is probably a more specific issue.
When you consider hiring an IT guy with specific knowledge and experience, you always consider overseas people. It’s nothing specific to Australia, it’s so in the USA, the UK, Ireland, the rest of EU… everywhere. Also, phone interviews are something quite normal everywhere in the world.
Available now is somebody without a job. I can’t quit in 2 days, no matter if I’m in Australia or Alaska. I am supposed, and usually obliged by the contract, to provide a notice, 2 weeks-30 days in advance, and only maybe to discuss with my current employer about a possibility of leaving earlier.
I know it’s much easier when people can meet but, when I think about moving there without a job offer it looks more like gambling then like a planned relocation. I thought migration is a win-win game, and I still hope it is. :-) Time will show…
#19
tedeschicat
Joined: Feb 2007
Location: northampton
Posts: 51
Re: Finding a job (should I stay or should I go)
I too are finding the whole job situation a nightmare.. We are activating our visa's in June of this year.. I have been on the seek.com had lots of conversations but I don't think they are interested until you are out there.. I am a Hairdresser and my husband would like to get into the property field, he is in retail at present.. Any suggestions anyone?
#20
Re: Finding a job (should I stay or should I go)
Dorothy's right.
Applied for jobs on seek, mycareer etc up to about 3 months before came out to Oz - even with a definite arrival date, no interest whatsoever. After I arrived and had got an Australian address - then different story.
Those who can secure jobs before they arrive are very fortunate and in the minority.
Be a bit flexible when you arrive too. I took a 3 month contract after arriving (not ideal) to tide me over until the right permanent job came up - which it did.
Applied for jobs on seek, mycareer etc up to about 3 months before came out to Oz - even with a definite arrival date, no interest whatsoever. After I arrived and had got an Australian address - then different story.
Those who can secure jobs before they arrive are very fortunate and in the minority.
Be a bit flexible when you arrive too. I took a 3 month contract after arriving (not ideal) to tide me over until the right permanent job came up - which it did.
#21
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Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 211
Re: Finding a job (should I stay or should I go)
Thanks Tracey.
I know there are much many options in the UK, but I am in Bosnia.
There is one good thing in my case and that is a fact that all “companies” I worked for were international organizations implementing projects in Bosnia (EC, EU, WB...)
and I believe my experience should not be questioned. But who knows.
I got 7.5 on IELTS and found that employers demand at least 7 for “more serious” positions.
Sure G77, I have MCSE 2000 (2002), MCSE 2003 (2004), CCNA (2003) and CCNP (2005); but I am far above those requirements. I explained it in my resume on 7 pages.
Also I was assessed as a net sec specialist by ACS, but I didn't write about security things in details.
I know there are much many options in the UK, but I am in Bosnia.
There is one good thing in my case and that is a fact that all “companies” I worked for were international organizations implementing projects in Bosnia (EC, EU, WB...)
and I believe my experience should not be questioned. But who knows.
I got 7.5 on IELTS and found that employers demand at least 7 for “more serious” positions.
Sure G77, I have MCSE 2000 (2002), MCSE 2003 (2004), CCNA (2003) and CCNP (2005); but I am far above those requirements. I explained it in my resume on 7 pages.
Also I was assessed as a net sec specialist by ACS, but I didn't write about security things in details.
I think the fact that your CV is 7 pages long could put alot of potential employers off.
I was always told to keep my CV to a maximum of 2 pages as those looking at them get bored.
You may also need to look at jazzing up your CV so that it stands out.
#22
Re: Finding a job (should I stay or should I go)
OK guys, I think we don't understand each other very well.
I know employers want this and that, me too, but if they need a person with extensive experience, reliable, independent professional (can solve problems with no external help – one phone call to Microsoft for troubleshooting help costs 250 US$), who worked for well known employers (it’s about the level of quality of service expected) and so on, then such employers need to dig a bit deeper. I talked to a guy who works for an IT recruiting agency in Toronto and he says: We sometimes advertise on the Monster, receive 300+ apps, 5-10 of which are worth looking at, the rest is like SPAM, delete, delete…
I also think we should not mix employers and agencies.
Check this thread http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum...s.cfm?t=683232
The desirable length of a CV is a relative thing. I made the first page of several parts:
personal data, brief experience header, education. The following pages are details (believe me it’s not that detailed) of my work experience. It’s enough to read the first page and see if I’m what they are looking for.
And it's a resume, not a cv (buahhh), learnt it yesterday :-) http://www.career.vt.edu/JOBSEARC/Resumes/vitae.htm
Anyway, I am really thankful to all of you for sharing your experience.
Still have no clue what to do… :-) Maybe I should concentrate more on spiders/snakes issues.
I know employers want this and that, me too, but if they need a person with extensive experience, reliable, independent professional (can solve problems with no external help – one phone call to Microsoft for troubleshooting help costs 250 US$), who worked for well known employers (it’s about the level of quality of service expected) and so on, then such employers need to dig a bit deeper. I talked to a guy who works for an IT recruiting agency in Toronto and he says: We sometimes advertise on the Monster, receive 300+ apps, 5-10 of which are worth looking at, the rest is like SPAM, delete, delete…
I also think we should not mix employers and agencies.
Check this thread http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum...s.cfm?t=683232
The desirable length of a CV is a relative thing. I made the first page of several parts:
personal data, brief experience header, education. The following pages are details (believe me it’s not that detailed) of my work experience. It’s enough to read the first page and see if I’m what they are looking for.
And it's a resume, not a cv (buahhh), learnt it yesterday :-) http://www.career.vt.edu/JOBSEARC/Resumes/vitae.htm
Anyway, I am really thankful to all of you for sharing your experience.
Still have no clue what to do… :-) Maybe I should concentrate more on spiders/snakes issues.
Last edited by Zoran; Mar 28th 2007 at 8:00 pm.
#23
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Joined: Aug 2006
Location: cheshire
Posts: 24
Re: Finding a job (should I stay or should I go)
Hi all,
I am having a big dilemma and really don’t know what to do.
My idea of immigrating to AU was: get a visa, find a job, buy a ticket.
I finally got the visa and applied to 30 or so ads (Melbourne, full time, permanent) in the last 2 weeks. Got only 2 replies from humans, both saying they were not interested.
What do you think, should I keep applying and wait, or should I move ASAP? I found people on forums saying that a person not present in AU has no chance of getting a job.
My CO told me they would send me a form for getting into a new employee database, something related to MODL professions, and that it should help me in finding a job.
I haven’t gotten it yet.
What’s your job hunting experience? Is it wise to look only for permanent jobs, or maybe it is better to try with short contracts?
In case I got an offer, is it okay to ask to sign a contract or ask for any kind of guarantee?
Please share your experience and opinions.
Many thanks.
Zoran
I am having a big dilemma and really don’t know what to do.
My idea of immigrating to AU was: get a visa, find a job, buy a ticket.
I finally got the visa and applied to 30 or so ads (Melbourne, full time, permanent) in the last 2 weeks. Got only 2 replies from humans, both saying they were not interested.
What do you think, should I keep applying and wait, or should I move ASAP? I found people on forums saying that a person not present in AU has no chance of getting a job.
My CO told me they would send me a form for getting into a new employee database, something related to MODL professions, and that it should help me in finding a job.
I haven’t gotten it yet.
What’s your job hunting experience? Is it wise to look only for permanent jobs, or maybe it is better to try with short contracts?
In case I got an offer, is it okay to ask to sign a contract or ask for any kind of guarantee?
Please share your experience and opinions.
Many thanks.
Zoran
#24
Just Joined
Joined: Aug 2006
Location: cheshire
Posts: 24
Re: Finding a job (should I stay or should I go)
Dorothy's right.
Applied for jobs on seek, mycareer etc up to about 3 months before came out to Oz - even with a definite arrival date, no interest whatsoever. After I arrived and had got an Australian address - then different story.
Those who can secure jobs before they arrive are very fortunate and in the minority.
Be a bit flexible when you arrive too. I took a 3 month contract after arriving (not ideal) to tide me over until the right permanent job came up - which it did.
Applied for jobs on seek, mycareer etc up to about 3 months before came out to Oz - even with a definite arrival date, no interest whatsoever. After I arrived and had got an Australian address - then different story.
Those who can secure jobs before they arrive are very fortunate and in the minority.
Be a bit flexible when you arrive too. I took a 3 month contract after arriving (not ideal) to tide me over until the right permanent job came up - which it did.
#25
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Joined: Aug 2006
Location: cheshire
Posts: 24
Re: Finding a job (should I stay or should I go)
#27
Re: Finding a job (should I stay or should I go)
The fun of companies and agencies, want someone who's local and can start tomorrow, but will put them through a 2 month selection process.
#28
Re: Finding a job (should I stay or should I go)
OK guys, I think we don't understand each other very well.
I know employers want this and that, me too, but if they need a person with extensive experience, reliable, independent professional (can solve problems with no external help – one phone call to Microsoft for troubleshooting help costs 250 US$), who worked for well known employers (it’s about the level of quality of service expected) and so on, then such employers need to dig a bit deeper. I talked to a guy who works for an IT recruiting agency in Toronto and he says: We sometimes advertise on the Monster, receive 300+ apps, 5-10 of which are worth looking at, the rest is like SPAM, delete, delete…
I also think we should not mix employers and agencies.
Check this thread http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum...s.cfm?t=683232
The desirable length of a CV is a relative thing. I made the first page of several parts:
personal data, brief experience header, education. The following pages are details (believe me it’s not that detailed) of my work experience. It’s enough to read the first page and see if I’m what they are looking for.
And it's a resume, not a cv (buahhh), learnt it yesterday :-) http://www.career.vt.edu/JOBSEARC/Resumes/vitae.htm
Anyway, I am really thankful to all of you for sharing your experience.
Still have no clue what to do… :-) Maybe I should concentrate more on spiders/snakes issues.
I know employers want this and that, me too, but if they need a person with extensive experience, reliable, independent professional (can solve problems with no external help – one phone call to Microsoft for troubleshooting help costs 250 US$), who worked for well known employers (it’s about the level of quality of service expected) and so on, then such employers need to dig a bit deeper. I talked to a guy who works for an IT recruiting agency in Toronto and he says: We sometimes advertise on the Monster, receive 300+ apps, 5-10 of which are worth looking at, the rest is like SPAM, delete, delete…
I also think we should not mix employers and agencies.
Check this thread http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum...s.cfm?t=683232
The desirable length of a CV is a relative thing. I made the first page of several parts:
personal data, brief experience header, education. The following pages are details (believe me it’s not that detailed) of my work experience. It’s enough to read the first page and see if I’m what they are looking for.
And it's a resume, not a cv (buahhh), learnt it yesterday :-) http://www.career.vt.edu/JOBSEARC/Resumes/vitae.htm
Anyway, I am really thankful to all of you for sharing your experience.
Still have no clue what to do… :-) Maybe I should concentrate more on spiders/snakes issues.
The length of a CV/resume (the terms are interchangable here) is not a relative thing. If you have 200 applicants for one position then who the hell wants to read through 200 resumes that are all 7 pages long? The ones who write a clear, concise 2-3 page resume are the ones that get a thorough reading.
And, if you are as highly skilled and sought after as you seem to think you are, then why would you worry about getting jobs anyway? Try sending 50 applications from Bosnia and see how far you get.
Good luck.
#29
Re: Finding a job (should I stay or should I go)
Although maybe not what people want to hear, bear in mind that from an employers perspective why employ someone from overseas that you cant interview properly with an arrival timeline when you can employ someone who is local and can start to suit you.
Of course many specialised fields may be an exception to that, but as harsh as it sounds its a cold reality.
Of course many specialised fields may be an exception to that, but as harsh as it sounds its a cold reality.
#30
Re: Finding a job (should I stay or should I go)
No hard feelings, please. I mentioned the guy from Toronto just to show that sometimes you simply can’t find what you are looking for.
That’s all. In my opinion, it’s normal to contact a PR visa holder, even if not in Australia, if his/her resume is better then resumes of those in Australia.
Sounds logical?
There are guides that can teach you how to pack the key information on one page, which is exactly what I did, the rest are details.
They will read the 2-7 if the first page looks promising.
The length generally depends on what you do (answering phone calls/coding in C language), for how long (a fresh graduate/20 years experience),
where you worked (one job till retirement/moving from project to project, mission to mission)...
And it should always be clear and concise; I have been tuning mine for over a year, so it’s never ending job.
I got a reply from an agency this morning. This is the interesting part: ;-)
Thank you for your application for the position of System Engineer. All
our vacancies require the applicants to have minimum the last 2 years
Australian experience and have a valid work visa for Australia.
So after you move they inform you that you’re missing Australian experience. BTW, there is no such thing, at least not in IT business.
How could possibly Australian experience be different from European experience, and it’s about managing systems made by the US companies?!?!?!?!
Anyway, I’ll keep applying for 2-3 months and try to hire an agency for one-on-one service. The big problem is the fact that there are no Australian IT forums, but I’ll try to get in touch with Australians sitting on other IT forums. One guy replied this morning and I’ll ask him for his opinion and maybe some help.
That’s all. In my opinion, it’s normal to contact a PR visa holder, even if not in Australia, if his/her resume is better then resumes of those in Australia.
Sounds logical?
There are guides that can teach you how to pack the key information on one page, which is exactly what I did, the rest are details.
They will read the 2-7 if the first page looks promising.
The length generally depends on what you do (answering phone calls/coding in C language), for how long (a fresh graduate/20 years experience),
where you worked (one job till retirement/moving from project to project, mission to mission)...
And it should always be clear and concise; I have been tuning mine for over a year, so it’s never ending job.
I got a reply from an agency this morning. This is the interesting part: ;-)
Thank you for your application for the position of System Engineer. All
our vacancies require the applicants to have minimum the last 2 years
Australian experience and have a valid work visa for Australia.
So after you move they inform you that you’re missing Australian experience. BTW, there is no such thing, at least not in IT business.
How could possibly Australian experience be different from European experience, and it’s about managing systems made by the US companies?!?!?!?!
Anyway, I’ll keep applying for 2-3 months and try to hire an agency for one-on-one service. The big problem is the fact that there are no Australian IT forums, but I’ll try to get in touch with Australians sitting on other IT forums. One guy replied this morning and I’ll ask him for his opinion and maybe some help.
Last edited by Zoran; Mar 29th 2007 at 10:16 am.