crime in melbourne
May 31st 2009, 5:25 am
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Re: crime in melbourne
It's a reasonable point, and it is annoying how sanctimonious some other nations become as they ignore their own country. A few Indians being bashed/robbed is of course terribly minor in comparison to a country with 1 billion people, many of which are still subject to caste systems, tribal violence, inter-religious violence etc etc. I guess it only affects rich Indians that can afford to send their kids overseas.
In any case the dislike of them I think is much more than just taking jobs. (I think many of the perpetrators of violence are not the sort that would be keen on working anyway)
People are just fed up of smelly taxi drivers who try to rip you off, or are aggressive and rude. Most Melbournites seem to have a bad taxi-driver story. Then there are the insufferable call-centres, that drive you to drink as you try to understand them, or them to understand you and even if that is the case actually trying to get a resolution. I was once told to "Go to hell" purely because I said I didn't want a phone contract from an unsolicited call. When they come into workplaces they are often rude, cagey about answers or downright liars, and more than 2 of them and they often revert back to their own language when they don't want you to hear. Then the visa abuse where many are faking course attendance or using hairdressing or cookery course purely to gain residence. And having a few Polynesian friends who work doors on various Melbourne venues by all accounts their respect for women is also something that leaves room for improvement as well.
In any case the dislike of them I think is much more than just taking jobs. (I think many of the perpetrators of violence are not the sort that would be keen on working anyway)
People are just fed up of smelly taxi drivers who try to rip you off, or are aggressive and rude. Most Melbournites seem to have a bad taxi-driver story. Then there are the insufferable call-centres, that drive you to drink as you try to understand them, or them to understand you and even if that is the case actually trying to get a resolution. I was once told to "Go to hell" purely because I said I didn't want a phone contract from an unsolicited call. When they come into workplaces they are often rude, cagey about answers or downright liars, and more than 2 of them and they often revert back to their own language when they don't want you to hear. Then the visa abuse where many are faking course attendance or using hairdressing or cookery course purely to gain residence. And having a few Polynesian friends who work doors on various Melbourne venues by all accounts their respect for women is also something that leaves room for improvement as well.
With an attitute like that, I have no doubt why people are getting beaten up in Australia.. way to go mate...
May 31st 2009, 5:58 am
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Re: crime in melbourne
I would like to close off my comments on this thread by injecting some facts into the thread:
The following is a list of violent incidents directed at foreign people and interests in Australia. This is from a respected government source. What this list proves is that the new immmigrant to Australia has much more to fear from their own countrymen or their own natural enemies, than they do from some scruffy, drunk Aussie bogan on a train:
The sad problem is that the pepetrators in most of these incidents are not "Australians". They are the rotten festering baggage that has followed the the immigrants from their old home to their new home. Sadly, people have a tendency to bring both the good and the bad with them to their new home.
http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/.../66b20);rec=0;
ANNEX B
SOME SIGNIFICANT INCIDENTS OF POLITICALLY MOTIVATED VIOLENCE IN AUSTRALIA
21.10.70 Bombing - Yugoslav Consulate- General, Melbourne
04.04.71 Bombing - Serbian Orthodox Church, Melbourne
12.09.71 Attempted arson - Serbian Orthodox Church, Melbourne
19.12.71 Bombing - Theatre in Sydney
11.01.72 Bombing - Serbian Orthodox Church, Canberra
14.02.72 Armed Assault - Yugoslav Consulate, Perth
16.02.72 Bombing - Offices of two Yugoslav tourist agencies, Sydney
26.04.72 Bombings - Residence of pro- Yugoslav political figure, Melbourne
25.09.72 Five Black September Organisation letter bombs, addressed to Israeli diplomates in Sydney and Canberra, were detected in post offices in Australia
03.10.72 Two letter bombs, addressed to Israeli officials in Sydney, were detected by the postal service
02.11.72 A letter bomb was sent to a prominent member of the Jewish community in Australia
08.12.72 Bombing - Serbian Orthodox Church, Brisbane
24.01.73 A letter bomb, addressed to a Jewish businessman in NSW, was intercepted at a post office
09.04.73 Arson - premises of Editor of Croatian Newspaper, Melbourne
24.12.74 Firebombs - Pan Am ticket office, Sydney
25.05.75 Bombing - Sunny Adriatic Trade and Tourist Centre (Yugoslav), Melbourne
19.11.75 Letter bombs addressed to the Prime Minister and Queensland Premier
29.08.77 Arson - Indian High Commission, Canberra
31.08.77 Arson - Australia Atomic Energy Commission, Sydney
15.09.77 Kidnapping and wounding - Indian defence Attache and wife, Canberra
19.10.77 Armed Assault - Air India employee, Melbourne
04.12.77 Bombing - Yugoslav Airlines Office, Melbourne
24.12.77 Bombing - Statue of Yugoslav General Mihailovic, Canberra
13.02.78 Bombing - Outside Hilton Hotel, Sydney
25.03.78 Bomb found in India High Commissioner's residence, Canberra
02.09.78 Arrest of Croatians involved in military training at Eden, NSW. Planning for armed incursion into Yugoslavia (previous armed incursions involving Australian Croats occurred in 1963 and 1972)
13.11.78 Poisoned sweets served to delegates at Assyrian Congress, Sydney
08.02.79 Conspiracy to bomb Yugoslav targets and water pipelines discovered, Sydney
17.12.80 Assassination - Turkish Consul- General and his bodyguard, Sydney - Justice Commandos of the Armenian Genocide (JCAG) claimed responsibility
23.12.82 Bombing of Israeli Consulate, Sydney
23.12.82 Bombing of Hakoah Club, Sydney
12.11.83 Gelignite and ammonium nitrate bomb found and defused in Lucas Heights Research Establishment, Sydney
13.07.85 Two shots fired at Vietnamese Embassy, Canberra
23.11.86 Bomb explosion at Turkish Consulate- General, Melbourne. One member of JCAG killed when device exploded prematurely
22.03.88 Two petrol bombs thrown at diplomatic residence in Canberra
10.04.88 South African diplomat's vehicle destroyed by fire, Canberra. Believed to be linked with 22 March incident
05.88 to Six firebomb attacks against Chinese restaurants, Perth
05.89
02.07.88 Firebombing of Yugoslav Club, Adelaide
18.07.88 US Defence Attache's vehicle firebombed, Canberra. Believed to be linked with incidents of 22 March and 10 April
16.11.88 Necklacing outside home of anti- apartheid activist, Sydney
27.11.88 Shooting of Croatian youth demonstrating outside Yugoslav Consulate- General, Sydney
27.01.89 Shotgun attack on home of African National Congress representative, Sydney
21.05.89 Arson attack on Abbey's Bookshop, Sydney, selling Salman Rushdie's novel, "The Satanic Verses"
23.01.91 Firebombing of Rooty Hill Islamic Centre, Sydney
25.01.91 Firebombing of Jewish Kindergarten, Melbourne
25.01.91 Lebanese- Australian arrested for planning to hijack an aircraft to Iraq, Sydney
06.02.91 Lebanese- Australian apprehended near Iraqi Embassy and in vicinity of PM's Lodge with rifle in his possession, Canberra. Possible volunteer to the Iraqis
20.02.91 Firebombing of American Australian Association, Sydney
26.02.91 Firebombing of Sephardi Synagogue, Sydney
05.03.91 Firebombing of Bankstown and District War Memorial Synagogue, Sydney
05.03.91 Firebombing of Airforce/Navy Club, Sydney
12.03.91 Attempted firebombing of North Shore Synagogue and Masada College, Sydney
28.03.91 Firebombing of Illawarra Synagogue, Sydney
3/4.08.91 Attempted petrol bombing of Serbian church, Melbourne
12/13.09.91 Shotgun blast in window of Indonesian Consulate, Darwin
15.09.91 Molotov cocktails thrown at the premises where a Serbian function was in progress, Melbourne
15.09.91 Firebombing of the home of a politically involved Croatian family, Melbourne
23.09.91 Six molotov cocktails (three exploded) thrown at Serbian Community Centre, Melbourne
11.01.92 Unsuccessful arson attack on US Consulate in Brisbane; minor damage
06.04.92 Attack on Iranian Embassy, Canberra; extensive damage and a number of personnel injured.
The following is a list of violent incidents directed at foreign people and interests in Australia. This is from a respected government source. What this list proves is that the new immmigrant to Australia has much more to fear from their own countrymen or their own natural enemies, than they do from some scruffy, drunk Aussie bogan on a train:
The sad problem is that the pepetrators in most of these incidents are not "Australians". They are the rotten festering baggage that has followed the the immigrants from their old home to their new home. Sadly, people have a tendency to bring both the good and the bad with them to their new home.
http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/.../66b20);rec=0;
ANNEX B
SOME SIGNIFICANT INCIDENTS OF POLITICALLY MOTIVATED VIOLENCE IN AUSTRALIA
21.10.70 Bombing - Yugoslav Consulate- General, Melbourne
04.04.71 Bombing - Serbian Orthodox Church, Melbourne
12.09.71 Attempted arson - Serbian Orthodox Church, Melbourne
19.12.71 Bombing - Theatre in Sydney
11.01.72 Bombing - Serbian Orthodox Church, Canberra
14.02.72 Armed Assault - Yugoslav Consulate, Perth
16.02.72 Bombing - Offices of two Yugoslav tourist agencies, Sydney
26.04.72 Bombings - Residence of pro- Yugoslav political figure, Melbourne
25.09.72 Five Black September Organisation letter bombs, addressed to Israeli diplomates in Sydney and Canberra, were detected in post offices in Australia
03.10.72 Two letter bombs, addressed to Israeli officials in Sydney, were detected by the postal service
02.11.72 A letter bomb was sent to a prominent member of the Jewish community in Australia
08.12.72 Bombing - Serbian Orthodox Church, Brisbane
24.01.73 A letter bomb, addressed to a Jewish businessman in NSW, was intercepted at a post office
09.04.73 Arson - premises of Editor of Croatian Newspaper, Melbourne
24.12.74 Firebombs - Pan Am ticket office, Sydney
25.05.75 Bombing - Sunny Adriatic Trade and Tourist Centre (Yugoslav), Melbourne
19.11.75 Letter bombs addressed to the Prime Minister and Queensland Premier
29.08.77 Arson - Indian High Commission, Canberra
31.08.77 Arson - Australia Atomic Energy Commission, Sydney
15.09.77 Kidnapping and wounding - Indian defence Attache and wife, Canberra
19.10.77 Armed Assault - Air India employee, Melbourne
04.12.77 Bombing - Yugoslav Airlines Office, Melbourne
24.12.77 Bombing - Statue of Yugoslav General Mihailovic, Canberra
13.02.78 Bombing - Outside Hilton Hotel, Sydney
25.03.78 Bomb found in India High Commissioner's residence, Canberra
02.09.78 Arrest of Croatians involved in military training at Eden, NSW. Planning for armed incursion into Yugoslavia (previous armed incursions involving Australian Croats occurred in 1963 and 1972)
13.11.78 Poisoned sweets served to delegates at Assyrian Congress, Sydney
08.02.79 Conspiracy to bomb Yugoslav targets and water pipelines discovered, Sydney
17.12.80 Assassination - Turkish Consul- General and his bodyguard, Sydney - Justice Commandos of the Armenian Genocide (JCAG) claimed responsibility
23.12.82 Bombing of Israeli Consulate, Sydney
23.12.82 Bombing of Hakoah Club, Sydney
12.11.83 Gelignite and ammonium nitrate bomb found and defused in Lucas Heights Research Establishment, Sydney
13.07.85 Two shots fired at Vietnamese Embassy, Canberra
23.11.86 Bomb explosion at Turkish Consulate- General, Melbourne. One member of JCAG killed when device exploded prematurely
22.03.88 Two petrol bombs thrown at diplomatic residence in Canberra
10.04.88 South African diplomat's vehicle destroyed by fire, Canberra. Believed to be linked with 22 March incident
05.88 to Six firebomb attacks against Chinese restaurants, Perth
05.89
02.07.88 Firebombing of Yugoslav Club, Adelaide
18.07.88 US Defence Attache's vehicle firebombed, Canberra. Believed to be linked with incidents of 22 March and 10 April
16.11.88 Necklacing outside home of anti- apartheid activist, Sydney
27.11.88 Shooting of Croatian youth demonstrating outside Yugoslav Consulate- General, Sydney
27.01.89 Shotgun attack on home of African National Congress representative, Sydney
21.05.89 Arson attack on Abbey's Bookshop, Sydney, selling Salman Rushdie's novel, "The Satanic Verses"
23.01.91 Firebombing of Rooty Hill Islamic Centre, Sydney
25.01.91 Firebombing of Jewish Kindergarten, Melbourne
25.01.91 Lebanese- Australian arrested for planning to hijack an aircraft to Iraq, Sydney
06.02.91 Lebanese- Australian apprehended near Iraqi Embassy and in vicinity of PM's Lodge with rifle in his possession, Canberra. Possible volunteer to the Iraqis
20.02.91 Firebombing of American Australian Association, Sydney
26.02.91 Firebombing of Sephardi Synagogue, Sydney
05.03.91 Firebombing of Bankstown and District War Memorial Synagogue, Sydney
05.03.91 Firebombing of Airforce/Navy Club, Sydney
12.03.91 Attempted firebombing of North Shore Synagogue and Masada College, Sydney
28.03.91 Firebombing of Illawarra Synagogue, Sydney
3/4.08.91 Attempted petrol bombing of Serbian church, Melbourne
12/13.09.91 Shotgun blast in window of Indonesian Consulate, Darwin
15.09.91 Molotov cocktails thrown at the premises where a Serbian function was in progress, Melbourne
15.09.91 Firebombing of the home of a politically involved Croatian family, Melbourne
23.09.91 Six molotov cocktails (three exploded) thrown at Serbian Community Centre, Melbourne
11.01.92 Unsuccessful arson attack on US Consulate in Brisbane; minor damage
06.04.92 Attack on Iranian Embassy, Canberra; extensive damage and a number of personnel injured.
May 31st 2009, 8:34 am
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Re: crime in melbourne
Yes if you see the film Romper Stomper set in Melbourne the same place where the Indians are now being atacked, whenever a Vietnamese was attracked by racists a van load of 20 of his cousins armed with machettes would always quickly show up for revenge, maybe the racists are too affraid to pick on Vietnamese so they target other groups like the indians. AS someone said Vietnamese often travel in gangs and armed while Indians are often alone and unarmed which makes them an easier target for cowardly racists who know they can't fight back.
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May 31st 2009, 8:58 am
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Yes if you see the film Romper Stomper set in Melbourne the same place where the Indians are now being atacked, whenever a Vietnamese was attracked by racists a van load of 20 of his cousins armed with machettes would always quickly show up for revenge, maybe the racists are too affraid to pick on Vietnamese so they target other groups like the indians. AS someone said Vietnamese often travel in gangs and armed while Indians are often alone and unarmed which makes them an easier target for cowardly racists who know they can't fight back.
May 31st 2009, 9:38 am
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I would love Coburg to become a center for Indians. I'd like to see the Malls become a bit like Brick Lane, with the associated bars etc. The Indian consulate is in Coburg and there are a lot of Indians around here. I dont think there is too much of a problem in this area for them.
Melburnians as a whole are used to big waves of Migrants and students, there are always incidents along the way. I really thought there was going to be major trouble with the Somalians, however that seems to have settled down now. Before them the Greeks and the Italians copped quite a bit of flack, but they adjusted quite well and have settled. It does seem that the Indians are copping it far worse than most groups though. Why do their women, who could well be a major asset in all of this assimilating, seem so quiet ?
Melburnians as a whole are used to big waves of Migrants and students, there are always incidents along the way. I really thought there was going to be major trouble with the Somalians, however that seems to have settled down now. Before them the Greeks and the Italians copped quite a bit of flack, but they adjusted quite well and have settled. It does seem that the Indians are copping it far worse than most groups though. Why do their women, who could well be a major asset in all of this assimilating, seem so quiet ?
The Banglas in Brick Lane had to survive some really heavy racism back in the 70s plus most had little education so were somewhat easier targets than Melbournes present educated Indian student population i would suggest.
Fact is it has already got to diplomatic levels and is very embarrassing for Australia a nation that constantly attempts to sell itself of as perhaps the worlds most successful multi racial nations.
Canada has seen an opportunity it appears to snatch some potential students, if the attacks leading to fear continue, to encourage them away from Australia and towards Canada.
Somalis were never so big in number to have such an impact here but in London some negatives are put around with that group with regards to gangs,rightly or wrongly.
Would suggest the arrival of Indo Chinese refugees in quite big numbers in the late 70s onwards dissipated to a large degree the strong bias against South Europeans prevalent at the time.
May 31st 2009, 11:20 am
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May be this will wake the impotent Victorian police which is good for nothing. Instead of nabbing and prosecuting the racists, they are blaming back on Indians about travelling alone.
May 31st 2009, 11:33 am
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They have never blamed Indians - merely made sensible suggestions that have been misreported and taken out of context.
May 31st 2009, 11:38 am
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Besides, I find your attitude about this issue to be just as bad as the racists that you are complaining about. Very hypocritical.
May 31st 2009, 11:49 am
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Now in that train video. The faces of all culprits who live in Weribee are quite clear, if the police wants the can arrest all of them within 2 days (from face matching database). I know they have arrested some attackers but only after Indian media presurrized, what a shame, height of discrimination, aussie police needs a trigger to work when it comes to Indians.
Now they will leave those proud Australian sons after warning..The whole world has seen their sadism they way they have beaten the poor guy Saurav.. Such people such be sentenced to at least 5 or 10 years..so that others should know what's the fate of racist is.
Aussie Govt has be prove by example that "Yes, we can sentence white australians also, if they are involved in crime. Law is equal for everybody". So far it is incapable of doing that and its ugly face is getting unveiled in front of the whole world.
May 31st 2009, 11:50 am
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I can smell the same in your posts also. You are no saint.
May 31st 2009, 12:00 pm
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The Indians are being racist in saying that they are being attacked by Australians. If they keep up that racist chatter, they will get the real Aussies stirred up and then it will not be pretty.
I have checked out a few Indian papers and it seems that Indians like to beat people up themselves, usually women ....
http://www.hindu.com/2009/02/26/stor...2657590100.htm
Random attacks on young women
Deepika Arwind
BANGALORE: The past week has been marked by at least three reported assaults on young women in Bangalore’s streets. In what appears to be a backlash of the condemnation and campaign against the Mangalore pub attacks, three women were picked out for their “western clothing”, by groups of two to four men.
The first reported attack on February 17 in Indiranagar was on a young woman driving her car. Two men on a motorcycle chased her and made ugly comments until she decided to run into a familiar apartment building for help. But before she could do that, she was cornered against her car. She had a fight with one of the men. The woman finally managed to seek refuge inside the building, but was too shaken to note the number of the motorcycle.
The second assault took place on Tuesday morning in Ulsoor, when a young woman was accosted by four men in a high-end car. They not only abused her in Kannada for wearing “western clothing”, but also tugged at her clothes and looked through her bag. They hit her on the ear and scratched her neck. She was rescued by Army men. On Tuesday at 9 p.m., a young film-maker walking down a road past Mount Carmel College, was beaten up by four men. She was told she deserved it for wearing jeans. The first and third victims of the attack have registered complaints.
Deepika Arwind
BANGALORE: The past week has been marked by at least three reported assaults on young women in Bangalore’s streets. In what appears to be a backlash of the condemnation and campaign against the Mangalore pub attacks, three women were picked out for their “western clothing”, by groups of two to four men.
The first reported attack on February 17 in Indiranagar was on a young woman driving her car. Two men on a motorcycle chased her and made ugly comments until she decided to run into a familiar apartment building for help. But before she could do that, she was cornered against her car. She had a fight with one of the men. The woman finally managed to seek refuge inside the building, but was too shaken to note the number of the motorcycle.
The second assault took place on Tuesday morning in Ulsoor, when a young woman was accosted by four men in a high-end car. They not only abused her in Kannada for wearing “western clothing”, but also tugged at her clothes and looked through her bag. They hit her on the ear and scratched her neck. She was rescued by Army men. On Tuesday at 9 p.m., a young film-maker walking down a road past Mount Carmel College, was beaten up by four men. She was told she deserved it for wearing jeans. The first and third victims of the attack have registered complaints.
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2009/0...acks-on-women/
On the afternoon of January 24, a group of young women in Mangalore in the southern state of Karnataka were attacked by Hindu vigilantes in a pub (bar). Dozens of activists from the little-known Sri Rama Sene (Lord Ram's Army) assaulted the women (and men, according to some reports) in order to protect “traditional Indian values”. The attack, which was filmed and broadcast on national television, has outraged many, and the activists have been described as “saffron hooligans” by one government minister – while other politicians have tried to make political capital out of the incident.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3191537.ece
Sexual assaults on foreigners threaten Indian tourism
Jeremy Page of The Times, in Delhi
India's reputation as a safe and easygoing tourist destination has been dented by a string of alleged rapes and sexual assaults on foreigners in the past week, including at least four of them British women.
Jeremy Page of The Times, in Delhi
India's reputation as a safe and easygoing tourist destination has been dented by a string of alleged rapes and sexual assaults on foreigners in the past week, including at least four of them British women.
May 31st 2009, 12:06 pm
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But it is plainly not white Australians in many of these cases - they didn't look very white on that Werribee train. But I agree, harsher sentences are needed.
May 31st 2009, 12:10 pm
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So are you saying that the Police should lock up all the Islanders and Africans to stop them bashing up Indians? We live in a multi-cultural society and one of the risks of that is that there will be inter-ethnic feuding.
The Indians are being racist in saying that they are being attacked by Australians. If they keep up that racist chatter, they will get the real Aussies stirred up and then it will not be pretty.
I have checked out a few Indian papers and it seems that Indians like to beat people up themselves, usually women ....
http://www.hindu.com/2009/02/26/stor...2657590100.htm
and this one ....
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2009/0...acks-on-women/
and dont forget this ...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3191537.ece
The Indians are being racist in saying that they are being attacked by Australians. If they keep up that racist chatter, they will get the real Aussies stirred up and then it will not be pretty.
I have checked out a few Indian papers and it seems that Indians like to beat people up themselves, usually women ....
http://www.hindu.com/2009/02/26/stor...2657590100.htm
and this one ....
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2009/0...acks-on-women/
and dont forget this ...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3191537.ece