Carbon tax
Jul 11th 2011, 8:38 am
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I'm no fan of him, but Abbott is always underestimated by his opposition - whichever way you look at it, he was very close to becoming PM last year. This time he does not have to do much to get - just opposing the government will do it. At least 2 of the independent seats are going to go to the coalition, so all he has to do is win a couple of labor seats (a given really) and he's in.
Jul 11th 2011, 8:40 am
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Australia isn't desperate to be big on the world stage; the ALP government, especially Rudd (whose ego knows NO bounds) who is desperate for that.
Jul 11th 2011, 8:42 am
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Link: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/2007/07_02_15.html
I think the chief points of skepticism on carbon dioxide as a driver include, but are not limited to:
I think the chief points of skepticism on carbon dioxide as a driver include, but are not limited to:
- Carbon Dioxide lags temperature suggesting it isn't a driver but an effect of changes in global temperature.
- There does appear to be some evidence that solar activity could drive global temperature.
- Some temperature records don't indicate a rise in temperatures at all, some even indicate a decline!
- While the theory of absorbing radiation works nicely in a laboratory the atmosphere is a much more complex system, beyond the ability of our most sophisticated computers to model. Indeed there isn’t yet an accurate way to model this system.
- The scientific process is being corrupted by research grants being allocated to universities, research institutes and scientists willing to keep the line about the relationship between carbon dioxide and changes in global temperature. People cite incidents like ClimateGate leaked e-mail saga where scientists had corrupted data sets to produce results that supported their preconceptions about what the results should look like. Even when these revelations came to light no one was fired, there was no move towards transparency or a better peer review process and largely the organizations relying on the integrity of the data were willing to the overlook the incident.
- Global warming, even if real, will have a negligible or positive effect overall for humanity.
Jul 11th 2011, 9:06 am
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Who says they're not doing it. A rose by any other name would be just as prickly. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_Change_Levy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_Change_Levy
The ETS of Europe has been subject to massive fraud and has not caused carbon emissions to fall - Europe just ramps up the amount of carbon dioxide laden goods it imports.
Jul 11th 2011, 9:08 am
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yes, the everyday people I meet couldn't care les, and in fact find it embarrassing that the chattering classes seem to care.
That being said, Australia and Australians like being NOTICED and complimented by the world. This is different that Australians wanting to strut the world stage.
That being said, Australia and Australians like being NOTICED and complimented by the world. This is different that Australians wanting to strut the world stage.
Jul 11th 2011, 9:16 am
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Ramping up hysteria? I don't think so. Arguing against the carbon tax for valid reasons is not ramping up hysteria.
I think it is the ALP and Greens who are ramping up hysteria about climate change, essentially that life as we know will cease to exist by the end of the century unless there is an ETS/carbon tax.
Also remember the hysteria over Workchoices, which was actually very good legislation and would have seen Australia lead the world in having a modern, highly productive workforce? Oh well.
Jul 11th 2011, 9:18 am
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Australia has failed, big time, over decades, to address its rising CO2 pollution. They're worse than the US FFS. If it takes a tax to stop them looking for a free ride at others expense, then that's what it takes.
Jul 11th 2011, 9:27 am
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Jul 11th 2011, 9:42 am
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http://archive.defra.gov.uk/sustaina...ges/02_000.gif
Australia has failed, big time, over decades, to address its rising CO2 pollution. They're worse than the US FFS. If it takes a tax to stop them looking for a free ride at others expense, then that's what it takes.
Australia has failed, big time, over decades, to address its rising CO2 pollution. They're worse than the US FFS. If it takes a tax to stop them looking for a free ride at others expense, then that's what it takes.
As you can see here most of the countries that reduced their emissions where former Soviet bloc countries in 1990. Their reduction achieved due to collapsing industry.
Jul 11th 2011, 9:47 am
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Australia has failed, big time, over decades, to address its rising CO2 pollution. They're worse than the US FFS. If it takes a tax to stop them looking for a free ride at others expense, then that's what it takes.
Australia has failed, big time, over decades, to address its rising CO2 pollution. They're worse than the US FFS. If it takes a tax to stop them looking for a free ride at others expense, then that's what it takes.
Jul 11th 2011, 9:58 am
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But that makes no sense, it has to be based on a per capita formula, it makes absolutely no difference how big the country is if each person produces a huge amount of C02.
Jul 11th 2011, 10:27 am
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And in great tradition of Aussie Politics-The Red Headed Ranga WAS NEVER VOTED in by the Australian population.
Even the people in her home town of Boganvilla(Altona)hate her with a dagger-in-the-back passion.
Viva El Presidenti Shorten!!
Even the people in her home town of Boganvilla(Altona)hate her with a dagger-in-the-back passion.
Viva El Presidenti Shorten!!
Jul 11th 2011, 10:28 am
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Why not? We are talking about a world problem and possibly the end of the world as we know it. Australia is a very large land mass with few people so it's contribution to world "global warming" is small. Surely the countries that produce the CO2 should be the ones that need to change. Australia emits about 1% of world CO2. This is a gnats piss in the ocean compared to the USA and China. China has a very large population so on a per capita basis their emmisions are small, but based on land mass it is hugh. Everyone is ignoring China but whatever we do is dwarfed by what China does.