Carbon tax
Jul 11th 2011, 7:44 am
#62
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Re: Carbon tax
A deluded populist whose only political tactics are pandering to outdated ideals and ramping up hysteria through fear and ignorance. I wouldn't trust him to run a laundrette let alone a government.
Jul 11th 2011, 7:56 am
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Jul 11th 2011, 8:02 am
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I'm no fan of him, but Abbott is always underestimated by his opposition - whichever way you look at it, he was very close to becoming PM last year. This time he does not have to do much to get - just opposing the government will do it. At least 2 of the independent seats are going to go to the coalition, so all he has to do is win a couple of labor seats (a given really) and he's in.
Jul 11th 2011, 8:03 am
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The sad reality is that we are likely to have mediocre government until probably 2016.
Jul 11th 2011, 8:07 am
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I'm no fan of him, but Abbott is always underestimated by his opposition - whichever way you look at it, he was very close to becoming PM last year. This time he does not have to do much to get - just opposing the government will do it. At least 2 of the independent seats are going to go to the coalition, so all he has to do is win a couple of labor seats (a given really) and he's in.
Jul 11th 2011, 8:13 am
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Can you believe she dies her hair that color to "Stand out" .
They are gone at next election - that is a certainty. Oakenshott and all those muppets are gonners, especially oakenshott. What a knob of the highest order with his harry potter trilogy length speech during the election.
Jul 11th 2011, 8:14 am
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I agree, you have to remember that Australia is absolutely desperate to be 'big' on the world stage and it wont happen while we have that women at the helm.
Jul 11th 2011, 8:16 am
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I never thought I'd ever say this but... her tone of voice and speaking - in - that - pat-ron-is-ing - tone - of - voice, is even less bearable than Tony "hand to mouth, swallowing to hold back voice breaking with emotion, looks to camera, blinks away crocodile tears" Blair. He was a feckless media whore too.
Jul 11th 2011, 8:16 am
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BTW, if the carbon tax is such an amazingly GREAT idea, why is the rest of the world NOT doing it? On the one hand you denigrate Australian politicians as sub-standard, then you claim the carbon tax is a fantastic idea (as long as it's ramped up, which will happen don't you worry about that)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_Change_Levy
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Jul 11th 2011, 8:22 am
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According to Gllard and Co Australia and Australians have no right to cheap energy, we have to use ridicously and inefficent renewable energy while we export our coal to developing countries to use cheaply while polluting OUR atmosphere.... please someone on the ALP side DEFECT, DEFECT!
Jul 11th 2011, 8:31 am
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Julia should have launched the carbon tax in Brisbane. She could have done a TV interview in King George square next to the outdoor ice rink in a subtropical city. (I shit you not) last time I looked they were building igloos out of the empty 100 gallon red diesel drums they were using (10 a day at the last count) to power the two enormous generators and still the ice wouldn't freeze! Curse you tropical winter sun.
Seriously WTF! We've just had Earth Hour or whatever it's called, and now an outdoor ice rink in the tropics. How did that ever get past any planning committee without someone from the Department Of The Bleeding Obvious pointing out the bleeding obvious.
Seriously WTF! We've just had Earth Hour or whatever it's called, and now an outdoor ice rink in the tropics. How did that ever get past any planning committee without someone from the Department Of The Bleeding Obvious pointing out the bleeding obvious.
Jul 11th 2011, 8:37 am
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Gas studies at volcanoes worldwide have helped volcanologists tally up a global volcanic CO2 budget in the same way that nations around the globe have cooperated to determine how much CO2 is released by human activity through the burning of fossil fuels. Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually.
...a visit to the U.S. Department of Energy's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center (CDIAC) website (http://cdiac.ornl.gov/) helps anyone armed with a handheld calculator and a high school chemistry text put the volcanic CO2 tally into perspective. Because while 200 million tonnes of CO2 is large, the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes. Thus, not only does volcanic CO2 not dwarf that of human activity, it actually comprises less than 1 percent of that value.
...a visit to the U.S. Department of Energy's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center (CDIAC) website (http://cdiac.ornl.gov/) helps anyone armed with a handheld calculator and a high school chemistry text put the volcanic CO2 tally into perspective. Because while 200 million tonnes of CO2 is large, the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes. Thus, not only does volcanic CO2 not dwarf that of human activity, it actually comprises less than 1 percent of that value.
I think the chief points of skepticism on carbon dioxide as a driver include, but are not limited to:
- Carbon Dioxide lags temperature suggesting it isn't a driver but an effect of changes in global temperature.
- There does appear to be some evidence that solar activity could drive global temperature.
- Some temperature records don't indicate a rise in temperatures at all, some even indicate a decline!
- While the theory of absorbing radiation works nicely in a laboratory the atmosphere is a much more complex system, beyond the ability of our most sophisticated computers to model. Indeed there isn’t yet an accurate way to model this system.
- The scientific process is being corrupted by research grants being allocated to universities, research institutes and scientists willing to keep the line about the relationship between carbon dioxide and changes in global temperature. People cite incidents like ClimateGate leaked e-mail saga where scientists had corrupted data sets to produce results that supported their preconceptions about what the results should look like. Even when these revelations came to light no one was fired, there was no move towards transparency or a better peer review process and largely the organizations relying on the integrity of the data were willing to the overlook the incident.
- Global warming, even if real, will have a negligible or positive effect overall for humanity.
Jul 11th 2011, 8:37 am
#75
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Re: Carbon tax
Julia should have launched the carbon tax in Brisbane. She could have done a TV interview in King George square next to the outdoor ice rink in a subtropical city. (I shit you not) last time I looked they were building igloos out of the empty 100 gallon red diesel drums they were using (10 a day at the last count) to power the two enormous generators and still the ice wouldn't freeze! Curse you tropical winter sun.
Seriously WTF! We've just had Earth Hour or whatever it's called, and now an outdoor ice rink in the tropics. How did that ever get past any planning committee without someone from the Department Of The Bleeding Obvious pointing out the bleeding obvious.
Seriously WTF! We've just had Earth Hour or whatever it's called, and now an outdoor ice rink in the tropics. How did that ever get past any planning committee without someone from the Department Of The Bleeding Obvious pointing out the bleeding obvious.
And it was crap and expensive, according to those I have met who went.
But hey, no dump and burn this year, it really is Brisgreen (I'm trademarking that ...).